737 goes down off Hawaii

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

So……………….




Idled the wrong engine?



And that CVR is a real doozy.

NTSB Docket - Docket Management System

data.ntsb.gov

 

[Wardogg]

So……………….

Idled the wrong engine?

NTSB Docket - Docket Management System

data.ntsb.gov

Looks like it. According to the performance factual #2 EPR rolls back at 390ft. Correct rudder correction then #1 was set to idle where it stayed until impact.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

And that CVR is a real doozy.

 

[Wardogg]

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Something else about that Capt....he seems real worried about the FO flying it after the engine failure. Takes control through a backhanded way and then gives up control in the last 100 feet or so when he isn't saving the day.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Something else about that Capt....he seems real worried about the FO flying it after the engine failure. Takes control through a backhanded way and then gives up control in the last 100 feet or so when he isn't saving the day.

Yeah, I noticed the same.

 

[Inverted]

Jesus christ...

Third-world country operator level of skill sprinkled in with some good ol U.S. felon vibes.

I think we have all said things in the cockpit that we normally wouldn't say in public (like in text messages) but this is a stark reminder that if something goes wrong, the moments leading up to that event are going to be played out and that means whatever you said on the CVR will be public record, forever.

 

[derg]

OOOOOOO boy. I have so much to say.

 

[Malko]

OOOOOOO boy. I have so much to say.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

OOOOOOO boy. I have so much to say.

Dooooo it.

 

[Baronman]

Their thought crimes landed them in the water gents! Moral of the story, everything is recorded.

 

[MikeD]

Their thought crimes landed them in the water gents! Moral of the story, everything is recorded.

Just listen to the released audio of the takeoff accident at DFW of the 727 Delta 1141 in 1988. Besides the crew/FA banter from the open cockpit door on taxi out, there were some pretty prophetic words spoken, that came true.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Just listen to the released audio of the takeoff accident at DFW of the 727 Delta 1141 in 1988. Besides the crew/FA banter from the open cockpit door on taxi out, there were some pretty prophetic words spoken, that came true.

Would not recommend listening for sensitive ears, though.

 

[Wardogg]

Is that the one that took off without any flaps?

 

[MikeD]

Would not recommend listening for sensitive ears, though.

Thats a fair point.

Is that the one that took off without any flaps?

That it was.

 

[///AMG]

^ Where they were talking about the previous no flaps mishap from another carrier a few months before (as they forgot to, themselves, set the flaps)?

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Would not recommend listening for sensitive ears, though.

Thats a fair point.



That it was.

I hear this a lot, that those who volunteer on ALPA and have to hear CVR recordings get shaken enough a lot, sometimes to the point of almost needing therapy.

I dunno. I think I've heard all the ones publicly on youtube. Maybe I'm just that emotionally-void guy, but I haven't been shaken by them. By far, the worst was the Western DC10 into MEX lining up the wrong runway. The CAs screams at that point are primal-animal screams. That was tough to hear, but I feel like I could do this kind of volunteer work for ALPA and not get shaken up by it. Although I may not be if I had personally known the CA involved. Who knows. I can't say since I haven't walked in the investigators shoes. My hats off to these folks who have to pick up the pieces, put it together, so the rest of us can learn lessons so the industry avoids another accident.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

I hear this a lot, that those who volunteer on ALPA and have to hear CVR recordings get shaken enough a lot, sometimes to the point of almost needing therapy.

Most who do it never do it again. It’s apparently quite traumatic.

Maybe I'm just that emotionally-void guy

I mean…

 

[GypsyPilot]

Dumb question, but I cannot find a link to the CVR other than pics of the mangled unit. What link contains the CVR transcript?

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Dumb question, but I cannot find a link to the CVR other than pics of the mangled unit. What link contains the CVR transcript?

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I post the link to the docket. It's all in there. It's Item 52 in the docket.

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COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER - GROUP CHAIR'S FACTUAL REPORT

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LOL that CVR. Wow!

 

[derg]

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I post the link to the docket. It's all in there. It's Item 52 in the docket.

52

COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER - GROUP CHAIR'S FACTUAL REPORT

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LOL that CVR. Wow!

Yeah, they're very fortunate to be alive. But now they have to deal with not only the accident, but also the CVR.