737 1000 (No Joke)

Maximilian_Jenius

Maximilian_Jenius

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Ughhhh... it's true Boeing just isn't trying anymore!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-reach-midsize-jet-market?cmpid=yhoo.headline

Boeing Co. is studying ways to stretch its newest aircraft, the 737 MAX, in order to reach a part of the jetliner market for which the planemaker has no product offering.

The company is in talks with customers about a larger version of the plane with redesigned wings and taller landing gear, Greg Smith, executive vice president for business and strategy, said Wednesday at a Cowen & Co. conference. Boeing has been losing sales to Airbus Group SE, which serves the midsized aircraft market with the narrow-body A321.

The new variant, if approved, wouldn’t enter the market until after the slated 2020 debut of the wide-body 777X, Smith said. The possibility of a larger 737 Max was reported earlier by the Wall Street Journal.
 
mikecweb said:
Fuselages longer than the 900 won't be able to be shipped via rail.
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Maybe that's what they want...
737derail
 
I can't figure out why a 757NG can't be built. New motors, update the avionics to match the 787, call it a day.

Take the 757 type, new avionics, expand the fuselage 12" for more space, stretch it to 757-300 +12'. New (bigger) motors, gear up another few inches and walked back a bit so the tail strike factor isn't a problem. Replace materials with composites when able. Call it the 757NG, 757MAX, whatever. Stop stretching the 737. I like the 737-900 as a pax, as long as I'm not in a middle seat, but the 737 can't replace a 757. Stretch it in both directions, give it the juice and upfront updates, and you now have an aircraft that fits demand.
 
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higney85 said:
I can't figure out why a 757NG can't be built. New motors, update the avionics to match the 787, call it a day.

Take the 757 type, new avionics, expand the fuselage 12" for more space, stretch it to 757-300 +12'. New (bigger) motors, gear up another few inches and walked back a bit so the tail strike factor isn't a problem. Replace materials with composites when able. Call it the 757NG, 757MAX, whatever. Stop stretching the 737. I like the 737-900 as a pax, as long as I'm not in a middle seat, but the 737 can't replace a 757. Stretch it in both directions, give it the juice and upfront updates, and you now have an aircraft that fits demand.
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The scrapped tooling, is probably the major issue with 757MAX.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
The scrapped tooling, is probably the major issue with 757MAX.
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Likely so, but how much is spent to keep taking a small school bus into a full loaded Tour bus? At some point the "bones" won't work and other avenues need to be examined. It's in the inventory, just a thought.
 
mikecweb said:
#nerdalert
They actually looked into this but if so it can't be built in Renton. No way to truck the parts from SEA to RNT without major road construction.
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Why not just build the fuselages in Renton, ending production in Wichita. Or better yet just come up with a clean sheet 757 replacement.

Arrrgh...
 
higney85 said:
I can't figure out why a 757NG can't be built.
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All of the tooling to build it has long since been destroyed. It isn't like building a pre-made model kit; the cost to build new tooling means you might as well develop a brand-new clean sheet design.

This is why defense contractors slow-roll building airplanes and get one-off replacement builds funded: to keep the assembly lines open and keep the structures in place as long as possible. Once a line closes, and the expertise to run the line goes away, it is heavy lifting and a lot of $ to get it back -- nearly impossible, and certainly not financially viable.

Re-creating the assembly line that closed 10 years ago would be a major task.
 
Boeing has lulled themselves into a safe place with aircraft that are a sure bet and will sell. Airbus is in the same place in terms of offering a sure thing. Just stretch them out and re-engine them.
 
H46Bubba said:
Boeing has lulled themselves into a safe place with aircraft that are a sure bet and will sell. Airbus is in the same place in terms of offering a sure thing. Just stretch them out and re-engine them.
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That sting from the 787, and the threat of never making a profit is still fresh upon their minds. But honestly the failures of the 787 are their own fault.
 
Sounds like Boeing is trying to play catchup, It is most likely more economical, to keep tweaking and stretching the 737, than make a clean sheet design of something new. They know that Airbus is beating them there, and want to bring a competitor to market as soon as possible.
 
skypilot6 said:
Sounds like Boeing is trying to play catchup, It is most likely more economical, to keep tweaking and stretching the 737, than make a clean sheet design of something new. They know that Airbus is beating them there, and want to bring a competitor to market as soon as possible.
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And honestly, whose fault is that?
 
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