717 Advertisment on the Boeing 7E7 website

So if the 717 is supposed to be better and they already had them, what sense does it make to go from better to worse?
 
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So if the 717 is supposed to be better and they already had them, what sense does it make to go from better to worse?

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I don't understand your question....
 
So you sad earlier that the reason the majors have MD-80s and MD90s is because they had them in the first place, right?
 
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So you sad earlier that the reason the majors have MD-80s and MD90s is because they had them in the first place, right?

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All I'm saying is that just because something better comes out, an airline won't neccesarily go out and replace it's fleet. There are alot of things better than the old DC-9's, but look at all of the 9's that NWA operates. What about that old POS BC-8 that UPS operates a fleet of?
 
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"...largest cross-section in the regional jet market." The 717's an RJ! Who knew? It'll be interesting to see how the mainline pilot groups feel about that.....

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This industry is so •ed up right now, and the lines between mainline/regional/LCC/legacy are so blurred, it really doesn't matter what they call it. Just as long as those flying it get mainline pay and work rules.

I'm hoping ATA goes through with the massive 717 purchase. Rumors of 60-90 aircraft.
 
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So you sad earlier that the reason the majors have MD-80s and MD90s is because they had them in the first place, right?

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I think you need to do some research, or maybe take a class on economics.

First of all, the MD-90 carries a lot more people than the 717, so it has a different role. See, when an airline has X amount of airplanes, when a better one comes out, they can't just drop them in a day and say we want these cause they are more fuel efficient. Airlines have so much money invested in their aircraft that they must keep them X amount of years to even have a chance at posting a profit.

One example would be Northwest and their DC 9's. They are the workhorse of their fleet, most of their airframes having 70,000 hours+ on them. But their 9's are getting old and they are slowly replacing them with the A320, which they feel is a better fit for their company and the roles that they have.

Not trying to be mean here Brian, but plese think before you type.
 
I know they wouldn't replace the fleet so soon. But the 717 has been around for some time now and they've had time to do so. Heck, Delta is replacing MD-11s with 777s. If they can afford that they sure can afford 717s. But maybe they don't really need them right now so they'll stick to the MD80s and -90s for a little longer.
 
Actually, I believe Delta is replacing their MD-11s with EXISTING 777s. It's called using your planes in a more economic fashion. To my knowledge, Delta hasn't bought a new plane in years (Doug?). As far as the MD-80/B717 debate...

As it's been pointed out at least twice, they are essentially the same plane, except for the B717 has much better fuel economy. Let's take this into consideration: You have a 2000 Nissan Altima, and it's great. Works out perfect for you. Now, it's 2004 and Nissan has introduced the new, more fuel efficient Altima (due to higher fuel prices) with better handling, OnStar and a Garmin GPS. Do you run out and jump at the new one? Probably not. The old one is running just fine, and if you're teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, odds are you can't really afford the new car anyway.
 
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I know they wouldn't replace the fleet so soon. But the 717 has been around for some time now and they've had time to do so. Heck, Delta is replacing MD-11s with 777s. If they can afford that they sure can afford 717s. But maybe they don't really need them right now so they'll stick to the MD80s and -90s for a little longer.

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Brian, if you read any of what I wrote to you, then you would understand. I told you that the B717 is essentially a DC-9-30, same as the MD80's 90's, but I also said that the Role of the B717 is different then the roles of the MB80's and MD90's.
 
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The 100 seat 717 is the latest development of the popular DC-9/MD-80/MD-90 family and the only Douglas airliner which Boeing (which merged with McDonnell Douglas in 1997) plans to retain in its product line-up. It is designed for high cycle, short range regional airline operations.McDonnell Douglas first announced the MD-95...

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I get it now.
 
717's, DC-9's, MD-80s, Super-80's, MD-88's, MD-90's are all simply "DC9" to the FAA.
 
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Yeah, it does look a lot like a DC-9.

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The lightbulb clicks!!!!
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It's a DC-9!!!!
 
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The B717 also has a very nice updated cockpit too. The B717 is a modernized version of the MD 80's and 90's that you are talking about.

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Yep, the 717 has a sweet cockpit. It is truly amazing if you look at the cockpit of the MD82 & then you look at the cockpit of the 717 and wonder how in the hell are they the same type rating.
 
Brian,

To further add to what Irrupert and others have said on this topic.

The B-717 is esentially a DC-9 with updated technology.

Furthermore the MD-88 and 90 series aircrafter carry more people then the 717 and in addition have more operational range.

Boeing is marketing the 717 toward the LCC and regional markets.

Most notably because most "majors" have scope clauses with there pilots not allowing there regional arm to fly planes with seats greater then 70.

The only mainline American carrier to purchase the 717 was the former TWA.

When AA aquirred TWA they got rid of TWA's 717 fleet.

ATA is now in talks with Boeing to purchase 717's.


Matthew
 
Thanks Max. Not to be rude but I need everyone to explain the same thing.
 
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