61.39 again

[Bsmiller05]

For the 61.39(A)(6)(i) "Has received and logged training time within 2 calendar months preceding the month of application in preparation for the practical test" does the preparation need to be "aircraft specific?"

IE, I'm using a 172RG for the ride, but does the time above need to be in a RG also? I apologize if the answer is right under my nose...

Thanks.

 

[Mike H]

For the 61.39(A)(6)(i) "Has received and logged training time within 2 calendar months preceding the month of application in preparation for the practical test" does the preparation need to be "aircraft specific?"

IE, I'm using a 172RG for the ride, but does the time above need to be in a RG also? I apologize if the answer is right under my nose...

Thanks.

What rating is the checkride for? For instance, if it's for Private ASEL, the training would need to be done in a single engine airplane; in a multi engine airplane for AMEL. For Commercial, you don't need to do the training in a complex aircraft, but you do need to have the required complex time and, of course, take the checkride in a complex airplane.

As a practical matter, you want to be as familiar as possible with the airplane you're doing the checkride in so if you're going to fly a 172RG for the checkride why would you not do your preparation in a 172RG?

 

[Bsmiller05]

It's my CFIA, so it'll be in the 172RG (complex). And so for the prep w/in 2 calendar months, does that prep have to be in a complex (RG) or just cat/class (a plain Jane 172?)

 

[Cessnaflyer]

Just category and class. Just like your commercial, you can do some maneuvers in a cheaper airplane and the rest in a complex.

 

[Bsmiller05]

Just category and class. Just like your commercial, you can do some maneuvers in a cheaper airplane and the rest in a complex.

Thanks, Cessna. I was leaning towards that answer (mainly because I hadn't found a reference that stated otherwise), but I wanted to be sure.

 

[nosehair]

and you got your answer here right off the innerweb for free. what a guy! that what you gonna tell the checkride guy about how to navigate the certification regs? let us know if it works.

 

[Bsmiller05]

and you got your answer here right off the innerweb for free. what a guy! that what you gonna tell the checkride guy about how to navigate the certification regs? let us know if it works.

I can't quite tell what your tone is, but to be honest, it appears to be negative and condescending. I came to this section, with a question, and in true jetcareers fashion, the nice and friendly community came to help. But, if I'm incorrect in my assumption of your tone, I apologize.

In terms of "...how to navigate the certification regs," you'll notice I stated that "...I hadn't found a reference that stated otherwise." I could have easily missed where this is covered in the regs, but nonetheless, I came here. I'm not looking for a handout.

 

[jynxyjoe]

I can't quite tell what your tone is, but to be honest, it appears to be negative and condescending. I came to this section, with a question, and in true jetcareers fashion, the nice and friendly community came to help. But, if I'm incorrect in my assumption of your tone, I apologize.

In terms of "...how to navigate the certification regs," you'll notice I stated that "...I hadn't found a reference that stated otherwise." I could have easily missed where this is covered in the regs, but nonetheless, I came here. I'm not looking for a handout.

Don't worry about nosehair.

 

[nosehair]

I can't quite tell what your tone is, but to be honest, it appears to be negative and condescending.

Right. It's hard to tell.
Just as your question was hard to tell if you were simply looking for a rote answer.
I was just playing devil's advocate in questioning your preparedness in navigating the certification regulations, Part 61.

I could have easily missed where this is covered in the regs

This is also very true, and I didn't mean to step on your toes. Your reaction tells me you are sensitive, which is a good thing for being an instructor.

And jynxyjoe is right. Don't take me personally.

 

[drunkenbeagle]

I can't quite tell what your tone is, but to be honest, it appears to be negative and condescending. I came to this section, with a question, and in true jetcareers fashion, the nice and friendly community came to help. But, if I'm incorrect in my assumption of your tone, I apologize.

In terms of "...how to navigate the certification regs," you'll notice I stated that "...I hadn't found a reference that stated otherwise." I could have easily missed where this is covered in the regs, but nonetheless, I came here. I'm not looking for a handout.

It was a good and fair question. Mostly a good question because while not written in the regs, some DPE's have their own opinion of what they want - so as a CFI, check with them too.

 

[Bsmiller05]

And jynxyjoe is right. Don't take me personally.

To be honest, I didn't want to start anything, but was rather asking a question. Being a CFI candidate, I'm still very much a novice in this vast ocean of knowledge. Any advice, tips, etc that I can collect on this route is greatly appreciated, all the while putting forth a great deal of effort on my part. I've never been given, or looked for, a handout, so when I get stumped, I come to the aviation gods for direction.

So, thank you for keeping me on the path of avoiding complacency, as far too many pilots fall victim of this. I hope to eventually become the CFI that students talk about around the flight school as being the fun, yet fair, and motivated instructor that every student is owed.

 

[nosehair]

To be honest, I didn't want to start anything, but was rather asking a question.

Ah! There you go. You can't ask a question without startin something. (gigity)

Any advice, tips, etc that I can collect on this route is greatly appreciated

So, tip #1, don't come into a CFI room askin questions without being ready to get some flak. (gigity gigity)

So,...back to the question.
So, what are you gonna tell the examiner in case he does ask this question? How are you going to walk him through the certification regulations, or lack thereof, without referencing the internet, or other verbal word-of-mouth information?

I hope to eventually become the CFI that students talk about around the flight school as being the fun, yet fair, and motivated instructor that every student is owed.

Welcome to my world. And take my comments in the spirit in which they are intended, to guide you and yours towards regulatory research and away from verbal word-of-mouth information.

When your students realize you are teaching them to fish, rather than giving them a fish, they will love you.

 

[drunkenbeagle]

Just category and class. Just like your commercial, you can do some maneuvers in a cheaper airplane and the rest in a complex.

Where does it say this? 61.39 says:

(6) Have an endorsement, if required by this part, in the applicant's logbook or training record that has been signed by an authorized instructor who certifies that the applicant—
(i) Has received and logged training time within 2 calendar months preceding the month of application in preparation for the practical test;

Nowhere do I see it mentioning category, class, type, or even flight time. I would think ground or simulator training time would be okay, particularly if the practical test is done in a simulator.



I was actually having a discussion with a DPE about this topic last week. I thought no specific amount of time in the last 60 days was required, just the 61.39 endorsement. He wasn't sure, but didn't know the FAR off hand that said so.

 

[drunkenbeagle]

You have to look at the specific training requirements for the certificate or rating. So for example, under 61.129(a), it says:

(v) Three hours in a single-engine airplane with an authorized instructor in preparation for the practical test within the preceding 2 calendar months from the month of the test.

Okay, flight instructor glider lists 15 hours PIC and a comm or ATP cert, no other flight requirements.