56 chautauqua furloughs - RAH parking 135/145's

[JLF]

Just talked to my buddy today who finished IOE a month or so ago. He confirmed no furlough, but who honestly thought they were going to lay people off? I don't like to rhetorically ask that, as my job wasn't on the line, but really. The boards fired up with all the joe's that were being asked to work OT and whatnot. Looks like the IBT headline was spot on when this was announced. Me? I'm just glad my best bud didn't end up jobless out of this. I told him today that 30 days after I hit the "desk" as a DX'er in '08 I received my furlough notice, which myself and a few others did. We ended up "spared" and moved to other certificates on the effective date.

I've got that parchment in the same fireproof case as my Private Pilot sign off. Don't believe that you've been rejected until the letter is in hand, and don't believe that you're golden until your sitting in the seat...

 

[SoCalAprch]

Actually I am commenting on the value of being a good worker, or rather, doing good work. You see, you can rationalize and justify and excuse poor work all you want. But as I said, the people who get ahead in this life are the ones who do good work. I've known many people who have worked hard and gotten ahead. I've known many more who worked hard and never got ahead. But I have never met a single person who slacked off and got ahead.

Doesn't apply to a pilot. Me coming in to help out on my days off or helping the company by waiving the contract and flying an extra leg or whatever doesn't get me anything. All it does is help the company. They aren't going to upgrade an FO before a more senior FO because he chose to come in on his days off or had better on time performance. They aren't going to give a Captain a better schedule because he has less sick calls and they sure as hell aren't going to pay anyone anything but their contractual pay.

So explain to me how in your mind a pilot will get ahead by going the extra mile?

The only way a management team can get their airline pilots to give 110% is with fair pay, respect, and a pleasant working environment. Look at Southwest if you want proof...

 

[falconvalley]

Just talked to my buddy today who finished IOE a month or so ago. He confirmed no furlough, but who honestly thought they were going to lay people off? I don't like to rhetorically ask that, as my job wasn't on the line, but really. The boards fired up with all the joe's that were being asked to work OT and whatnot. Looks like the IBT headline was spot on when this was announced. Me? I'm just glad my best bud didn't end up jobless out of this. I told him today that 30 days after I hit the "desk" as a DX'er in '08 I received my furlough notice, which myself and a few others did. We ended up "spared" and moved to other certificates on the effective date.

I've got that parchment in the same fireproof case as my Private Pilot sign off. Don't believe that you've been rejected until the letter is in hand, and don't believe that you're golden until your sitting in the seat...

Tell your buddy that if they actually did confirm that there will be no furlough that they need to tell the union leadership about that. There has not been an announcement confirming this. The vote on the LOA was just completed yesterday. I know the company tends to act on their own when it comes to these things, but even they have not made any announcement, yet.

 

[jynxyjoe]

Actually I am commenting on the value of being a good worker, or rather, doing good work. You see, you can rationalize and justify and excuse poor work all you want. But as I said, the people who get ahead in this life are the ones who do good work. I've known many people who have worked hard and gotten ahead. I've known many more who worked hard and never got ahead. But I have never met a single person who slacked off and got ahead.

Yeah, I've shook the hands of a few clowns who did just fine doing nothing. Can't speak to them over the course of a lifetime of course. I've yet to meet anyone that's done a work slowdown that I know of, but I'd have to do some research on that. I've also shook the hands of men and women who have struck- what terrible work ethic- and are doing terrific.

I have no argument about your position on work ethic as a whole, just not as a rule.

 

[genot]

Actually I am commenting on the value of being a good worker, or rather, doing good work. You see, you can rationalize and justify and excuse poor work all you want. But as I said, the people who get ahead in this life are the ones who do good work. I've known many people who have worked hard and gotten ahead. I've known many more who worked hard and never got ahead. But I have never met a single person who slacked off and got ahead.

It doesn't work like that to us worker bees. At my first white collar job out of college my pay was dismal, but the performance based bonuses made it better than returning to fast food. The bonuses were predicated on reports submitted. I had a gung ho work ethic. I found an easy way to streamline our process while at the same time alert a client to an error. I turned in a weeks worth of work daily gunning for early promotion. In return, I made bonus each quarter, but with a giant problem on my hands. My quota was now through the roof. I was more productive than any other 6 employees in my position combined, but to get the same pay I had to do the work of 6 people (your quota gets raised when you meet it). I further streamlined my process (now doing the work of 6 for the same pay/bonus I learned not to tell management how to further streamline, because well, I'm not a slacker, but you're screwing with my pay check and paying far less productive people the same amount).

In a final effort before I stopped trying so hard I told my manager I'd found a HUGE account. I could have $30,000 for the company if I could get 30 minutes of overtime (30 minutes of overtime for me would have equaled 10 dollars) . Nope. Not allowed. I was told as reward for my honesty if the account didn't process I'd be fired. I basically had 15 minutes to do 45 minutes work. I did it, but had a typo. And was typed Adn. I was denied promotion as a result and lambasted for my lack of attention to detail.

From that point forward, I along with my streamlined and not forwarded to management, innovations met my weekly quota by lunchtime on Tuesday. I played flash games until 5pm Friday and never cared about lost productivity. The more I work the less I was compensated / the more was expected from me the less I had a shot of making ends meet.

 

[falconvalley]

A union announcement today said that the COO and union are making a joint statement that COLAs and voluntary furloughs, combined with the adjusted line values, will do and no involuntary furloughing will be necessary.