50 Hours X/C for Instrument?

Old Pete said:
Why the caveat on the first landing being more than 50 (as long as one of your landings is more than 50nm straight line distance from the point of departure) and why should the DPE care?
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My guess is that falcon either made a typing mistake or misunderstands the regulation.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
My guess is that falcon either made a typing mistake or misunderstands the regulation.
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Actually, falcon20pilot's (possible mis-) interpretation brings up an interesting point. While a touch-and-go would not change "the airport from which the flight originated" and you could certainly do those on your way to the 50nm destination, how about if you did a stop-and-go? Doesn't the flight end when the wheels stop :D
 
Not necessarily mis-type but probably the 3 or 4 years since I was instructing private and instrument full time, and the interpretations came out after that point (most likely to clear up some DPE's who were causing the mis-understanding I had).

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...00/interpretations/data/interps/2008/Sisk.pdf
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...terpretations/data/interps/2009/Van Zanen.pdf

However the advice stands - he can still benefit from making every one of his training sessions cross country. Also make sure and log it correctly per the interpretations.

Ronnie as per how long it will take you - start studying the charts, procedures, and IFR handbook. The book work is at least as much if not more than the flying portion.
 
not to thread hijack but this brings up another question.

say you fly 2.2 from a to b and it is obviously more than 50 nm (unless you're really messing around and not flying towards the destination)

do you log 2.2 XC or do you log 2.0/2.1 to not count taxi time?


I learned the latter but I feel as though the other .1 or .2 flight time for a XC is just as much flight time as any since I probably did a lot more planning than a local flight.

what do you guys do?
 
elmetal said:
not to thread hijack but this brings up another question.

say you fly 2.2 from a to b and it is obviously more than 50 nm (unless you're really messing around and not flying towards the destination)

do you log 2.2 XC or do you log 2.0/2.1 to not count taxi time?


I learned the latter but I feel as though the other .1 or .2 flight time for a XC is just as much flight time as any since I probably did a lot more planning than a local flight.

what do you guys do?
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Definition of flight time - from when the aircraft starts to move for the purpose of flight until it comes to a rest at the end of the flight. See 14 CFR Part 1 § 1.1 General definitions.
 
alfadog said:
Definition of flight time - from when the aircraft starts to move for the purpose of flight until it comes to a rest at the end of the flight. See 14 CFR Part 1 § 1.1 General definitions.
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right, I get that, and I log flight time as the 2.2, but xc as the 2.1 or 2.0

maybe I should just log the whole thing. sounds liek I've missed out on a few XC hours!
 
elmetal said:
right, I get that, and I log flight time as the 2.2, but xc as the 2.1 or 2.0

maybe I should just log the whole thing. sounds liek I've missed out on a few XC hours!
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Cross-country is a characterization of the flight so the entire flight time counts. See the Gebhart letter I posted above.
 
alfadog said:
Actually, falcon20pilot's (possible mis-) interpretation brings up an interesting point. While a touch-and-go would not change "the airport from which the flight originated" and you could certainly do those on your way to the 50nm destination, how about if you did a stop-and-go? Doesn't the flight end when the wheels stop :D
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Of course, if this were the case, the 61.109(a)(5) private pilot requirement for

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One solo cross country flight of 150 nautical miles total distance, with full-stop landings at three points, and one segment of the flight consisting of a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles between the takeoff and landing locations
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would be impossible to accomplish.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
Of course, if this were the case, the 61.109(a)(5) private pilot requirement for

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One solo cross country flight of 150 nautical miles total distance, with full-stop landings at three points, and one segment of the flight consisting of a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles between the takeoff and landing locations
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would be impossible to accomplish.
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True enough ;)
 
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