1st in-flight failure

cencal83406 said:
And that makes your "first emergency" any more spectacular than someone else's? I think not. Each experience to their own, if it got his blood pumping this first time, he's learned from the 'unnatural' experience and will do better next time.

You better read the CRW overrun transcript... "professional" pilots stammering during/after emergency.
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didn't see where he said it was any more spectacular than any one elses...just sharing I thought...
 
My first real emergency and last was shortly after taking off in a Warrior when I had the mags fail. Eventually I was able to get the right formula to resuscitate it and made it back to the airport safely. That was a little over a year ago. I havent flown an airplane since. Im not sure I ever will again. I can only blame myself for assuming nothing could ever go wrong. The shock of it actually happening spooked me away. Maybe Im just a wimp.
 
cencal83406 said:
And that makes your "first emergency" any more spectacular than someone else's? I think not. Each experience to their own, if it got his blood pumping this first time, he's learned from the 'unnatural' experience and will do better next time..
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:yeahthat: This was the OP's post about HIS experience....not a penile measuring thread.
 
SeanD said:
My first real emergency and last was shortly after taking off in a Warrior when I had the mags fail. Eventually I was able to get the right formula to resuscitate it and made it back to the airport safely. That was a little over a year ago. I havent flown an airplane since. Im not sure I ever will again. I can only blame myself for assuming nothing could ever go wrong. The shock of it actually happening spooked me away. Maybe Im just a wimp.
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Regardless if you get back into it or not, you HAVE GOT to get back in the air at least once...cant let something like that get the best of you.
 
Zero1Niner said:
Regardless if you get back into it or not, you HAVE GOT to get back in the air at least once...cant let something like that get the best of you.
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I'll go with you Sean...I'm damn certain that stinky brown objects can hit the fan, but it's generally a managable risk, if the plane is airworthyto begin with;)
 
Bumblebee said:
:hiya:
I haven't ever INTENTIONALLY:cwm27: left the field with an un-airworthy aircraft...and I fly for a living.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say...yes, you probably have.

...you just didn't know about it. :D
 
dasleben said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say...yes, you probably have.

...you just didn't know about it. :D
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funny, probably accurate, slightly irritating, but still funny:beer:

and I fixed the quote in your post...it's fun being a mod!

You know I'm sure you're accurate, because I discovered that 401 I told you about did not have the proper inspection done during its annual, even though the paper work was correct...I found out after a failure...
 
Bumblebee said:
funny, probably accurate, slightly irritating, but still funny:beer:

and I fixed the quote in your post...it's fun being a mod!
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Haha, I knew what you meant...no worries. Just had to jump on that one. :pirate:

Reminds me of a joke I've heard around my company. We fly 30 year old planes that are very well maintained, but have 15,000 to 20,000 hours on the airframes. Even the best maintenance program in the world won't change the fact that they're, well, old. Anyway, when you see a guy preflighting just walk by and say "Don't look too hard!"

Ahh, the joys of flying tired old birds. :D
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I think you missed his point. There is a difference between a professional and someone flying for a living.

When people let their employers get away with things like making them fly unairworthy aircraft, they make it harder on the rest of us by lowering the bar of what is expected of us.

See Gulfstream

Example:

Yesterday we had an emergency coming in from JFK and couldn't use the airplane on the next leg to PNS. We have a spare aircraft in IAD but the APU was inop and it was 92 degrees. Dispatch and the chief pilot tired to pressure the captain into operating that aircraft as is, but he refused it. The CRJ-200 gets real hot real quick without the APU running on the ground, and it had been baking in the sun the whole day. 30 mins later we get a phone call that the APU was fixed and we could now operate the flight. If we would have accepted the aircraft just to "get the flight done" they would have let the aircraft operate with an inoperative APU until the MEL time limit came up or someone wouldn't take the airplane.

We had 10 kids on the flight and a few elderly people and even with the APU it was pretty warm inside.

A professional stands their ground when they are asked to do something they aren't comfortable, consequences be damned.
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:yeahthat:

Professionals see the entire picture of each flight. Not hours in a logbook. IMO management doesn't see pilots who take such airplanes as "company guys" nor professionals but suckers.
If that plane was taken and someone had a medical issue, I doubt management would have backed the crew.
My favorite example of refusing a plane happened in MSN with a plane that wouldn't pressurize. They wanted us to fly from MSN back to ATL with a full airplane, at 10,000, through summer storms......:confused: After laughing for a few seconds the capitan said, "call us when the plane is fixed."
 
MikeD said:
So I take it that was after the days when you squawked 7700 for 1 minute, and 7600 for 15 minutes....lather, rinse, repeat?

Don't you love single-UHF tactical jets? F-117 and T-38A/B were the same way.
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I remember that but unfortunately, I just squawked wrong. Yeah, the T-2C had a Tacan, 1 UHF and a big gyro. Hell, its avionics made the T-34C look advanced.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I think you missed his point. There is a difference between a professional and someone flying for a living.

When people let their employers get away with things like making them fly unairworthy aircraft, they make it harder on the rest of us by lowering the bar of what is expected of us.

See Gulfstream

Example:

Yesterday we had an emergency coming in from JFK and couldn't use the airplane on the next leg to PNS. We have a spare aircraft in IAD but the APU was inop and it was 92 degrees. Dispatch and the chief pilot tired to pressure the captain into operating that aircraft as is, but he refused it. The CRJ-200 gets real hot real quick without the APU running on the ground, and it had been baking in the sun the whole day. 30 mins later we get a phone call that the APU was fixed and we could now operate the flight. If we would have accepted the aircraft just to "get the flight done" they would have let the aircraft operate with an inoperative APU until the MEL time limit came up or someone wouldn't take the airplane.

We had 10 kids on the flight and a few elderly people and even with the APU it was pretty warm inside.

A professional stands their ground when they are asked to do something they aren't comfortable, consequences be damned.
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mxflyer said:
:yeahthat:

Professionals see the entire picture of each flight. Not hours in a logbook. IMO management doesn't see pilots who take such airplanes as "company guys" nor professionals but suckers.
If that plane was taken and someone had a medical issue, I doubt management would have backed the crew.
My favorite example of refusing a plane happened in MSN with a plane that wouldn't pressurize. They wanted us to fly from MSN back to ATL with a full airplane, at 10,000, through summer storms......:confused: After laughing for a few seconds the capitan said, "call us when the plane is fixed."
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I ignored Screaming_Emu's post the first time, but after seeing mxflyer's post, I just had to say something.

I won't say that either decision was wrong, but plenty of airplanes fly people around during the summer without A/C at 10,000 unpressurized during storm season. I know, because I did exactly that all last summer, 9 passengers at a time, 6 legs a day. Haven't killed anyone yet. :dunno:
 
dasleben said:
I ignored Screaming_Emu's post the first time, but after seeing mxflyer's post, I just had to say something.

I won't say that either decision was wrong, but plenty of airplanes fly people around during the summer without A/C at 10,000 unpressurized during storm season. I know, because I did exactly that all last summer, 9 passengers at a time, 6 legs a day. Haven't killed anyone yet. :dunno:
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I don't think that your decision was wrong either. As a professional, I'm sure you looked at the big picture. For us that day, the big picture (weather, pax, plane, distance, etc) said no. I was just giving an example of when we refused an airplane. My point was before the example; adding to Screaming_Emu's post that stretching the bounds of professionalism doesn't necessarily make you look better in the eyes of management.
 
cencal83406 said:
And that makes your "first emergency" any more spectacular than someone else's? I think not. Each experience to their own, if it got his blood pumping this first time, he's learned from the 'unnatural' experience and will do better next time.
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Ahhh, go back and read my post again. I was responding to Zero1Niner who was jerking my chain.
 
I just don't understand the piling on of the OP. He had a problem, he continued to aviate and had a successful outcome. He also learned from the experience and that is what makes him a better pilot. He also posted here so that others may learn from it as well. That is why we read accident reports.

So what if his emergency wasn't as spectacular or heroic as your's. (To the haters.) Maybe we should get Capt. Haynes from UAL232 to post here, then he can outnut everyone and we can move on.
 
Cptnchia said:
I just don't understand the piling on of the OP. He had a problem, he continued to aviate and had a successful outcome. He also learned from the experience and that is what makes him a better pilot. He also posted here so that others may learn from it as well. That is why we read accident reports.

So what if his emergency wasn't as spectacular or heroic as your's. (To the haters.) Maybe we should get Capt. Haynes from UAL232 to post here, then he can outnut everyone and we can move on.
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Agree. All with 75 hours. I don't see where all the angst is coming from either. He solved what was a large problem for him, what with the lack of experience he has, and got a successful outcome.

Case closed.

TXaviator said:
losing a radio "gets your adrenaline pumping"?

woof.

:cool:
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Completely unnecessary comment, given the circumstances.
 
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