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atracnitrix

atracnitrix

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Does anyone have more info on the 1500 hr/ATP rule? I was talking with a friend today when we came across the topic and both realized we hadn't heard much about it recently. A good friend of ours (that flies right seat for Silver) said the 1500 hr rule was passed and current FO's that do not meet the min's are not grandfathered in so therefore will more than likely lose their jobs. Is this true? If so, what's going to happen with the regionals? Just looking for some insight from my JC buds
 
atracnitrix said:
Does anyone have more info on the 1500 hr/ATP rule? I was talking with a friend today when we came across the topic and both realized we hadn't heard much about it recently. A good friend of ours (that flies right seat for Silver) said the 1500 hr rule was passed and current FO's that do not meet the min's are not grandfathered in so therefore will more than likely lose their jobs. Is this true? If so, what's going to happen with the regionals? Just looking for some insight from my JC buds
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You're friend is correct. I do not believe there are many (if any) who will not be able to meet this requirement at Silver though.
 
I was talking to a friend at ExpressJet. He thinks they'll need to lay off a couple guys hired recently because they won't have it in time. Who knows though.

We'll have to wait and see what the new rules are. The NPRM comments were due at the end of April I believe, so it's wishful think, but maybe the FAA will have a decision sometime soon.
 
Nobody knows as there has't been any guidelines yet for that. I guess it's up to the airlines. If someone doesn't meet the requirements I'd imagine they'd be put on a LOA until they had the time. Just my guess.

I had a friend get hired at PSA last summer with about 350tt. He was on the line around September and I know he's been doing about 30-50 hours on reserve. Guys like that will be hard pressed to get the 1500 by next August.
 
jtrain609 said:
How about a Walmart in Manchester? Because Airnow did that back in 2005.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174909,00.html

Oh and hey, guess what caused that one? You guessed it, improper manipulation of the flight controls after an engine failure, which, as you've also guessed, we train for all the time.

http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id=20051124X01887&key=1
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Yeah, i see what you were trying to do there.

Ok, there wont be a rule for 135 as long as no one kills 47 people.
 
Although I do not know what modifications will be made to the law, it will be changed. There are just to many money hungry people in D.C. to keep it from happening. I think we will see one of these 3 things happen or maybe even all of them. Who knows?

-ATP mins will change (IMO this is the least likely to happen)

-Another type of restricted ATP will be added to include "advanced JET" training.

-A grandfather clause for all current 121 pilots.

I also guess it will be sometime this Fall when the change will be made.
 
Rotor2Wing said:
Although I do not know what modifications will be made to the law, it will be changed. There are just to many money hungry people in D.C. to keep it from happening. I think we will see one of these 3 things happen or maybe even all of them. Who knows?

-ATP mins will change (IMO this is the least likely to happen)

-Another type of restricted ATP will be added to include "advanced JET" training.

-A grandfather clause for all current 121 pilots.

I also guess it will be sometime this Fall when the change will be made.
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I can also see this happening. I think there will be something in there for a "frozen" ATP for people who do an advanced jet/CRM/my life savings training course like there was for military and pt. 141 aviation university graduates.

I could see a grandfather clause being added as well. The logistics of getting your entire pilot base an ATP has got to be pretty demanding. However, I wonder if the mins will drop to get all the bodies they can in before it does go in effect?

Could get interesting!
 
USN88 said:
I can also see this happening. I think there will be something in there for a "frozen" ATP for people who do an advanced jet/CRM/my life savings training course like there was for military and pt. 141 aviation university graduates.

I could see a grandfather clause being added as well. The logistics of getting your entire pilot base an ATP has got to be pretty demanding. However, I wonder if the mins will drop to get all the bodies they can in before it does go in effect?

Could get interesting!
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If its changed this fall with a grandfather clause you can bet they will "if allowed" lower the mins.
 
Rotor2Wing said:
If its changed this fall with a grandfather clause you can bet they will "if allowed" lower the mins.
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No doubt. However, if HR5900 doesn't go in effect until August 2013 and they add a grandfather clause, why even need permission. The current FARs would still apply. Who knows, maybe congress would say there is a grandfather for CURRENT 121 FO's, but not for folks who aren't currently a 121 FO or something along those lines.
 
CFI A&P said:
Not until a 135 operator makes the news by crashing into a house in BUF.
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With two pilots that had more than 1500 hours when they were hired...oh...um, never mind the causes of that accident!

Rotor2Wing said:
If its changed this fall with a grandfather clause you can bet they will "if allowed" lower the mins.
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I could write it as one line, "Pilot flight crewmembers engaged in Part 121 air transportation on or before August 1, 2013, need not comply with the requirements of this section."
USN88 said:
I can also see this happening. I think there will be something in there for a "frozen" ATP for people who do an advanced jet/CRM/my life savings training course like there was for military and pt. 141 aviation university graduates.

I could see a grandfather clause being added as well. The logistics of getting your entire pilot base an ATP has got to be pretty demanding. However, I wonder if the mins will drop to get all the bodies they can in before it does go in effect?
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(Not to mention that not everyone currently flying an airliner for a living has an ATP, or would be medically qualified necessarily to exercise ATP privileges.)

The difficulty is largely a function of your training program and relationship with your CHDO, truthfully. The (ruefully silly) written aside, the difference between an FO checkride and a Captain/ATP/full type rating ride (where I work—note that City Airlines, Inc., may have a radically different training program for FOs) is a few maneuvers and a more comprehensive oral examination.
 
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