141 checkrides

[ERJflyerr]

At one of the recent job fairs I was told by a Delta recruiter not to disclose part 141 checkride failures on the app. She said only to disclose a pink slip. Has anyone else heard the same? Also, United said the exact opposite.

 

[SFCC/UND]

At one of the recent job fairs I was told by a Delta recruiter not to disclose part 141 checkride failures on the app. She said only to disclose a pink slip. Has anyone else heard the same? Also, United said the exact opposite.

I think not to report stage checks. But I'm sure a Google search will result in a couple pages of detail.

 

[ERJflyerr]

I think not to report stage checks. But I'm sure a Google search will result in a couple pages of detail.

It was an end of course check for a CFI, but since this was done under the examining authority of the school there was not a pink slip.

 

[Goonie]

Nah you don't need to disclose stage check failures. If the end of course (EOC) is your checkride with someone with examining authority then that would show up as a failure.

Airlines could try to ask for your 141 records and see how your stage checks went, but I don't think they like looking under rocks these days.

 

[Old Dominion Flyer]

FWIW Compass asks about stage check failures during the pre-interview phone screening. But you mentioned DL and UA, so I'm unsure of to whom you're referring when you say "airlines".

 

[ERJflyerr]

FWIW Compass asks about stage check failures during the pre-interview phone screening. But you mentioned DL and UA, so I'm unsure of to whom you're referring when you say "airlines".

I specifically mentioned to the recruiter that it was the end of course checkride. She said as long as it wasn't with the FAA or a DPE then it doesn't have to be disclosed on the app. I was a little surpirsed by this and the reason I asked is because I overhead others taking about being told the same thing.

 

[Richkid]

The past is the past and nothing more. If you want to worry about something try worrying about your flight skills if you have any. Once upon a time pilots were real men not a bunch of button punchers and they didn't play these kiss a$$ games.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

The past is the past and nothing more. If you want to worry about something try worrying about your flight skills if you have any. Once upon a time pilots were real men not a bunch of button punchers and they didn't play these kiss a$$ games.

"Have you EVER failed a training event, including...?"

I specifically mentioned to the recruiter that it was the end of course checkride. She said as long as it wasn't with the FAA or a DPE then it doesn't have to be disclosed on the app. I was a little surpirsed by this and the reason I asked is because I overhead others taking about being told the same thing.

Read the question. In fact, I'll pop over to AirlineApps and report back.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Right, so, Delta asks:
"Have you ever ... failed any portion of flight training, either civilian or military?"
And,
"Have you ever failed any proficiency check, FAA check ride, or line check?"

 

[JustinS]

Right, so, Delta asks:
"Have you ever ... failed any portion of flight training, either civilian or military?"

This question always baffles me. In a Part 141 environment, you have stage checks to check your progress in training. Furthermore you have individual units. Every single flight is evaluated and it is either passed or not with a grade of "Unsatisfactory," or "Satisfactory." Are you going to report every single "Unsatisfactory," flight you ever had with an instructor?? In the part 61 world there's no such thing as a pass fail on a training flight. "Alright good job, with slow flight, and stall recoveries, but steep turns we need to practice some more." In the part 61 world that means we'll go practice those more. Depending on the unit in training in part 141 that means the same thing, but is labelled with an "Unsatisfactory."

"Have you ever failed any proficiency check, FAA check ride, or line check?"

A Part 141 End of course exam is not any of those three, and the Delta recruiters are right as weird as it sounds. It does not need to be disclosed, and there is no way to see that EOC (End of course) on FAA records.