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But then I tel him that, possibly, if I were a flight instructor and he were taking lessons (or were a private pilot and wanted someone to hang out with him for either insurance purposes or otherwise, which isn't unheard of) then I could do the same thing, because it would fall under Part 91 operations as it would be an
owner flown flight, with the student acting as PIC and me giving dual given. He asked me where he could start ground school and I gave him some options.
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If he owned the aircraft, he could pay you to fly it all day and night. You'd be a part 91 corporate pilot. Not sure if this is what you're getting at.
However,
you RENTING the aircraft, no matter how many people you do it for, is HOLDING OUT and shows a willingness to serve all (just by renting). If you owned the airplane, it would be ok if it didn't make up the majority of your income (but I would tread lightly, and personally would never do it). Renting is ok for certain things like aerial photography, but transportation from point A to B with paying cargo is a no-no (except outlined above).
A way to get around this is have this guy make an arrangement with an FBO. Then this guy could rent the aircraft, and pay you to fly it, which would be ok because you personally wouldn't be providing the plane and pilot together (just piloting services). Totally legit, as long as you can prove you had nothing to do with the guy picking the place to rent the plane, etc. etc.
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Would I be correct in making this statement that if he wanted me to come along with him, he'd have to be a legit student?
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I'm still not sure what you're asking - you mentioned insurance purposes earlier or "just hanging out". He could pay you to "just hang out" in the right/left seat if he were a rated pilot, but you couldn't log any time or be a required crew member. You'd simply be a male escort of sorts
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I figure it's shady to just suddendly give a guy 10 hours of dual when he's never had an intro flight, and the only way said situation could work out is if he were a legit student or owned an aircraft that he'd want an instructor on board for so he could have an extra set of eyes and whatnot.
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Again, if he owned the airplane, he can pay you (as a commercial pilot) to fly part 91 - no need for you to be logging dual at all. As far as giving 10 hours of dual out of the blue, I would agree. I had a guy want me to give him "dual" while we flew to the bahamas. He was asking about lessons etc. etc. after that but I could see right through it - he wanted me to fly him there and that was it. Be CAREFUL.
The bottom line is - if you're looking for a way to get around the regs, it's probably not the best avenue. I'd look elseware for my flight time, but that's just me personally. There was a discussion on here a bit ago about even combining cross country flights with other things such as business meetings, and I personally believe its a no-no as well, but I'm cautious.
Also, in regards to aircraft time as compensation - the FAA only views this as true if you use it toward an additonal rating (i.e. ATP etc. etc.) and put that time on your 8710. This was from an AOPA interpretation I believe.
~wheelsup
