112 Stage Check

BuickCFI said:
yeah but it pisses me off a lot when i take away all moving maps and my students can no longer fly they freaking airplane by reference to instruments. they have ZERO situational awareness because they did 222 in the glass.

i had one student the other day who tried to fly with 4 moving maps up! on the HSI, MFD, and both GPS, all the same damn thing. i took them all away and made him shoot an approach with RMI only and the result was ugly :(

the glass is a great tool, but i wish more people would take way the maps more often so that you can build situational awareness of where you are w/o it. not every airplane has a moving map so it doesn't make sense to teach only that way :(


i am also one of few people that loves NDB's. i absolutely hated them in 222 since i unsat my 46 on them but now that i truly understand it, there is nothing better for keeping your own proficiency up than going out and shooting and ndb in actual or with a safety pilot. i figure if i can do that and maintain my course no problem than the ILS is cake if i need to use it someday to get in

/end rant
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Getting to the IFR portion of 325 is fun right now, because I did 222 in the glass. I haven't touched a glass seminole yet, and not really looking forward to "Ooooh, OMG! Its a glass semenhole, I want to fly it." I struggled with NDB's in 221 but it was easier in 222 for me to shoot a "simulated" NDB approaches with the RMI in terms of situational awareness. Much better than relying on a fix card ADF.
 
BuickCFI said:
yeah but it pisses me off a lot when i take away all moving maps and my students can no longer fly they freaking airplane by reference to instruments. they have ZERO situational awareness because they did 222 in the glass.

i had one student the other day who tried to fly with 4 moving maps up! on the HSI, MFD, and both GPS, all the same damn thing. i took them all away and made him shoot an approach with RMI only and the result was ugly :(

the glass is a great tool, but i wish more people would take way the maps more often so that you can build situational awareness of where you are w/o it. not every airplane has a moving map so it doesn't make sense to teach only that way :(


i am also one of few people that loves NDB's. i absolutely hated them in 222 since i unsat my 46 on them but now that i truly understand it, there is nothing better for keeping your own proficiency up than going out and shooting and ndb in actual or with a safety pilot. i figure if i can do that and maintain my course no problem than the ILS is cake if i need to use it someday to get in

/end rant
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LOL. I was so happy when my student was switched to the regular Warrior for the second block of 222. (Air China students are required to do NDB approaches in the second block). You better believe the student struggled going back to more "old-fashioned" fashion flying. I always took away the moving map during all of the flying, though I did teach him how to make use of all his available resources with the GPS. You should still TEACH how to use the GPS, just not to rely on it. Basic situational awareness skills should be developed first.

To me it's extremely important to build a picture of where you are without needing a map. I really don't like it when people rely on moving maps too much for situational awareness.

The reason I DO like the Glass Warrior is more because there is the ground track line on the HSI which can be lined up with the CDI making you look like a pro. :D
Regardless, I can fly both ways without a problem, but it's nice to have something reduce the workload.

I'm old fashioned in liking to see the skills in a six pack, but am definitely not against something that reduces the workload.
 
I'm old fashioned in liking to see the skills in a six pack, but am definitely not against something that reduces the workload.
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me neither, but like i said, it annoys the heck out of me when there is no situational awareness when in all intents and purposes the student is an instrumented rated commercial pilot.

i wish we still had Bendix stacks for instrument training, that requires you to learn situational awareness, once that is mastered then move onto something that helps reduce workload like the glass does
 
BuickCFI said:
yeah but it pisses me off a lot when i take away all moving maps and my students can no longer fly they freaking airplane by reference to instruments. they have ZERO situational awareness because they did 222 in the glass.

i had one student the other day who tried to fly with 4 moving maps up! on the HSI, MFD, and both GPS, all the same damn thing. i took them all away and made him shoot an approach with RMI only and the result was ugly :(

the glass is a great tool, but i wish more people would take way the maps more often so that you can build situational awareness of where you are w/o it. not every airplane has a moving map so it doesn't make sense to teach only that way :(


i am also one of few people that loves NDB's. i absolutely hated them in 222 since i unsat my 46 on them but now that i truly understand it, there is nothing better for keeping your own proficiency up than going out and shooting and ndb in actual or with a safety pilot. i figure if i can do that and maintain my course no problem than the ILS is cake if i need to use it someday to get in

/end rant
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I am very glad I did all my flight training in a 6-pack. "Oh but all the airlines use glass" ...typical song and dance being said around Odegard Hall... not so... the Dash 8 I'm getting ready to fly for Piedmont is no way near glass. The only thing close is the AI and HSI on some of the DHC-8-311's are LCD displays, but it's still a 6-pack. The darn plane barely has an autopilot... I was the last set of people who took 222 who did it in the steam gauge Warriors and I'm so glad I did.
 
BuickCFI said:
i am also one of few people that loves NDB's. i absolutely hated them in 222 since i unsat my 46 on them but now that i truly understand it, there is nothing better for keeping your own proficiency up than going out and shooting and ndb in actual or with a safety pilot. i figure if i can do that and maintain my course no problem than the ILS is cake if i need to use it someday to get in

/end rant
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I love NDB approaches. As simple of a nav aid they are, it's a challenge to use them...but a fun challenge.
 
JaceTheAce said:
I am very glad I did all my flight training in a 6-pack. "Oh but all the airlines use glass" ...typical song and dance being said around Odegard Hall... not so... the Dash 8 I'm getting ready to fly for Piedmont is no way near glass. The only thing close is the AI and HSI on some of the DHC-8-311's are LCD displays, but it's still a 6-pack. The darn plane barely has an autopilot... I was the last set of people who took 222 who did it in the steam gauge Warriors and I'm so glad I did.
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Yeah, I'm really tired of hearing all of the "well the airlines want THIS; the airlines want THAT" crap out of a lot of people here. You would think that the higher-ups here have been around long enough to know what's best for pilots and what isn't. Unfortunately, when you combine a bunch of dumb kids that treat their career as a series of a bunch of tests full of robotic memorization, then the misuse of this technology we try to implement here is what we get.
 
ChadW346 said:
Unfortunately, when you combine a bunch of dumb kids that treat their career as a series of a bunch of tests full of robotic memorization
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Bold statement don't you think? I don't know one kid in my 222 class now that thinks their career is a bunch of tests with memorization. It is about grasping concepts and learning, not robotic recall.
 
the_dmn8tr said:
Bold statement don't you think? I don't know one kid in my 222 class now that thinks their career is a bunch of tests with memorization. It is about grasping concepts and learning, not robotic recall.
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Sure, and it's possibly an over-simplification on my part. Have I run into these types of people? Yes, here and while I was at Southern Illinois. Just speaking from my point of view.
 
Up for Stage Check this weekend. Oral on Saturday and the flight on Sunday. I think it will go well... I think I will miss flying for the next few months...
 
juxtapilot said:
Up for Stage Check this weekend. Oral on Saturday and the flight on Sunday. I think it will go well... I think I will miss flying for the next few months...
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who is your stage pilot? i just scheduled a 112 oral on saturday and a flight on sunday......

feel free to PM me if you don't want to post names publically
 
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