IIRC, in the AA crash, the hydraulics to the captain's shaker were knocked out by the engine falling off, so his shaker didn't activate at all. They knew they had a failure and flew the profile perfectly, but the slats weren't out because their hydraulics were damaged too, so the left wing stalled and over they went. The argument, as I understand it, is that if there were an independent co-pilot's stick shaker/pusher, it would have warned them of the impending stall and they probably would have been able to fly it back around (at very high speed). Someone with more recent and detailed knowledge feel free to correct me.