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its a beech thing. Sure as ridiculously quick ailerons and too much wing. The 99 hatch does the same damn thing to the point that they have a jury rigged safety system involving the rudder gust lock bar. I remain perplexed as to the beech reputation for quality.
 
Boris Badenov said:
its a beech thing. Sure as ridiculously quick ailerons and too much wing. The 99 hatch does the same damn thing to the point that they have a jury rigged safety system involving the rudder gust lock bar. I remain perplexed as to the beech reputation for quality.
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Same thing on the duchess I remember one plane that would pop the right door open only during steep turns. But the same plane endured 20,000 hours of student pilots without falling apart.
 
The beech products, with their super tight screw in door with automatic "rotation pop", are some of the reason they are so quiet inside. Bonanza's I've flown in are always quieter than any other high performance SE.

Where is Andy on this thread. He's a Baron .
 
I've had doors pop open on cessna's, mooney's, beechcrafts, pipers and well...just about everything else I've ever flown.


Ted Stryker has his drinking problem, I have a door problem apparently.
 
minitour said:
The 'ho door was by far the strangest though. I had heard (probably 4th or 5th hand information) that someone tried to pull on the Baron door so hard that they popped the hinges. Not sure how true that is, but I gave up trying to shut it after I figured it wasn't going to depart the airplane or suck me out the door if I couldn't get it shut.

-mini
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The worst case of this was I was climbing out of Memphis around 2000' when the door popped open. It was raining and I started to get concerned when I realized that I needed about 3/4 left aileron to hold wings level. I had to shoot an ILS and got down on the ground. I secured the door, took a deep breath (sigh of relief) and went home. I only went up to 150 knots and I was surprised how much the door open yaws the aircraft. I was definitely a learning experience. When it happens, DON'T FREAK OUT, fly the airplane, trim the airplane, get back on the ground....period. Anything besides that and you are in a world of hurt. I have had practice engine outs where the aircraft didn't yaw as much.
 
jynxyjoe said:
The beech products, with their super tight screw in door with automatic "rotation pop", are some of the reason they are so quiet inside. Bonanza's I've flown in are always quieter than any other high performance SE.

Where is Andy on this thread. He's a Baron .
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Never flown a bonanza, but a Baron isn't what anyone would confuse with "quiet", and the 99 is like trying to fly with a guy using a jackhammer in the other seat. It's absurd. I think I flew a Sundowner once way way back in the day, and was equally unimpressed.

I'm just confused by the "rep" that Beech has for being extremely well built. The 99 and the MU-2 are sort-of-kind-of-similar-type airplanes. The MU-2 is of higher quality in every conceivable category, both subjective and objective. Yet Mitsubishi isn't known far and wide as a paragon of quality...Methinks it's a self-perpetuating myth.
 
Boris Badenov said:
Never flown a bonanza, but a Baron isn't what anyone would confuse with "quiet", and the 99 is like trying to fly with a guy using a jackhammer in the other seat. It's absurd. I think I flew a Sundowner once way way back in the day, and was equally unimpressed.

I'm just confused by the "rep" that Beech has for being extremely well built. The 99 and the MU-2 are sort-of-kind-of-similar-type airplanes. The MU-2 is of higher quality in every conceivable category, both subjective and objective. Yet Mitsubishi isn't known far and wide as a paragon of quality...Methinks it's a self-perpetuating myth.
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A myth...in aviation.....nahhhhh
 
Boris Badenov said:
Never flown a bonanza, but a Baron isn't what anyone would confuse with "quiet", and the 99 is like trying to fly with a guy using a jackhammer in the other seat. It's absurd. I think I flew a Sundowner once way way back in the day, and was equally unimpressed.

I'm just confused by the "rep" that Beech has for being extremely well built. The 99 and the MU-2 are sort-of-kind-of-similar-type airplanes. The MU-2 is of higher quality in every conceivable category, both subjective and objective. Yet Mitsubishi isn't known far and wide as a paragon of quality...Methinks it's a self-perpetuating myth.
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I bet a baron is quieter than our Aztec or Cherokee Six.

Cmon Boris the reason why the MU-2 is hated is because Americans are ethnocentric.
 
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I will say that sitting left seat when the door pops open on a Baron probably isn't as cold as sitting right seat when it pops open... I thought it latched! :dunno:
 
braunpilot said:
When it happens, DON'T FREAK OUT, fly the airplane, trim the airplane, get back on the ground....period. Anything besides that and you are in a world of hurt.
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Good advice.

I lost three friends when a door opened in an Aztec about a decade ago.
 
Boris Badenov said:
Never flown a bonanza, but a Baron isn't what anyone would confuse with "quiet", and the 99 is like trying to fly with a guy using a jackhammer in the other seat. It's absurd. I think I flew a Sundowner once way way back in the day, and was equally unimpressed.

I'm just confused by the "rep" that Beech has for being extremely well built. The 99 and the MU-2 are sort-of-kind-of-similar-type airplanes. The MU-2 is of higher quality in every conceivable category, both subjective and objective. Yet Mitsubishi isn't known far and wide as a paragon of quality...Methinks it's a self-perpetuating myth.
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The baron has (i think) twice the engine (power/volume) as a Seminole and it's quieter. Also the Baron doesn't shake my ass into numbness. That's how I "confuse" it. I felt the 402 was an inferior product compared to the 58 as well. Of course that was a Cape Air 402, and it got beat on a lot.

Flew once in a Baron P model, when the P part works, I was very impressed. Though, for comfort and fun, I don't know if anything will beat the old Chieftain.
 
jynxyjoe said:
The beech products, with their super tight screw in door with automatic "rotation pop", are some of the reason they are so quiet inside. Bonanza's I've flown in are always quieter than any other high performance SE.

Where is Andy on this thread. He's a Baron .
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We've had doors open all the time in the Baron. I've been lucky to not have it happen to me...seems like it's happened to everyone else. Especially if one is in a hurry and it doesn't quite latch enough. We had one guy that had to do two aborted takeoffs at RKD because of the door opening. The customer whom he had just dropped off called the company and wanted to know what was wrong with our airplanes.
 
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