Victor Airways and VFR

aifiji said:
I have a question that I haven't faced in a while. I am finishing my XC hours for my instrument rating and most of my XC has been with an instructor filing IFR, or with a Safety Pilot filing IFR, or just no where near a Victor airway. Tomorrow morning I am flying to Bloomington IL and the best route enroute from the Joliet VOR to the Pontiac VOR is on a Victor airway. Is there any danger flying VFR (on standard altitudes of course) on an airway, or is it preferred to fly a dot to the left or right? I know the airway itself is pretty wide, but just double checking to see what is advisable.
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The hemispheric rule is the way it is exactly for this reason - to separate IFR and VFR traffic and traffic going in opposite directions.
 
fish314 said:
The mneumonic for AF guys is IWANA.

When you are required to file IFR (according to 11-202v3):

Instrument Approaches (can't practice Instrument Approaches under VFR)
Weather (less than VFR)
Airways (flying on the Federal Victor Airway system)
Night (unless mission requirements dictate the sortie must be flown VFR)
A (Class A airspace)
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Interesting -

In the Army the wording for are rules were reversed. It said you were required to file IFR period, unless a series of conditions were met. Two of them I remember were (paraphrased):

- Unless the flight is for VFR training.
- Unless flying IFR would be inconvenient.

So, unless the weather was below mins, it was pretty easy to go VFR whenever we wanted.
 
Ian J said:
Interesting In the Army the wording for are rules were reversed. It said you were required to file IFR period, unless a series of conditions were met.
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I always found it interesting how the FARs allow you to do anything that isn't prohibited in them where as military regs allow you only what is in them.
 
Ian J said:
Interesting -

In the Army the wording for are rules were reversed. It said you were required to file IFR period, unless a series of conditions were met. Two of them I remember were (paraphrased):

- Unless the flight is for VFR training.
- Unless flying IFR would be inconvenient.

So, unless the weather was below mins, it was pretty easy to go VFR whenever we wanted.
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Ian, here's the rest of the requirements.

(1) All Army aircraft that are instrumented for IFR flight and are flown by an instrument rated pilot will operate on
IFR flight plans except when—
(a) Flight is primarily for VFR training.
(b) Time will not permit mission completion under IFR.
(c) Mission can only be accomplished under VFR.
(d) Excessive air traffic control (ATC) departure, en route, or terminal area delays are encountered.
(e) Hazardous weather conditions must be avoided.
(f) Requirements of paragraph 4-23d are not met. My remarks in parentheses. (This requires two Aviators, current in category for flight into forecast IMC.)
 
ghogue said:
Ian, here's the rest of the requirements.

(1) All Army aircraft that are instrumented for IFR flight and are flown by an instrument rated pilot will operate on
IFR flight plans except when—
(a) Flight is primarily for VFR training.
(b) Time will not permit mission completion under IFR.
(c) Mission can only be accomplished under VFR.
(d) Excessive air traffic control (ATC) departure, en route, or terminal area delays are encountered.
(e) Hazardous weather conditions must be avoided.
(f) Requirements of paragraph 4-23d are not met. My remarks in parentheses. (This requires two Aviators, current in category for flight into forecast IMC.)
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Yup - those are the ones. Ah... good ol' AR 95-1.
 
Yep. If it's just one pilot showing another pilot how to shoot approaches, there's nothing wrong with that. It's not instruction, it's just practice.
 
juxtapilot said:
Can you log actual with a safety pilot? I thought only CFII's could go with students and do real IFR stuff...
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"Actual" is just a condition of flight under 61.51. And, if you look at the words of 61.51, you'll see there are no special qualifications for =logging= it. If you are flying in actual, you may log actual.

"Legality" just requires someone who is qualified to act as PIC in IMC or on an IFR flight plan.
 
Ian J said:
No one said anything about a student.
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Okay, lets say I'm a private pilot. No instrument rating. It sounds like I could go up with a instrument rated pilot and shoot approaches. I guess I was just under the impression that the pilot in the right seat would technically be giving instruction. That's the circumstance I was wondering about.
 
juxtapilot said:
Okay, lets say I'm a private pilot. No instrument rating. It sounds like I could go up with a instrument rated pilot and shoot approaches. I guess I was just under the impression that the pilot in the right seat would technically be giving instruction. That's the circumstance I was wondering about.
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He's not "technically giving instruction" any more than when a private pilot is "giving instruction" when she takes her niece up and lets her fly a little. And there's no rule that assigns flight or instructional duties based on whether someone is sitting in the left or right seat.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
He's not "technically giving instruction" any more than when a private pilot is "giving instruction" when she takes her niece up and lets her fly a little. And there's no rule that assigns flight or instructional duties based on whether someone is sitting in the left or right seat.
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Ah I see ok. I should have asked this awhile ago!!! uhg oh well.
 
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