JA Yawd Bwoy
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Sad! RIP to those onboard
video of eyewitness depiction:
http://www.startribune.com/video/26206754.html?location_refer=Local + Metro
he was one of the mechanics that saw the landing.
c) correct approach -> reversers malfunction? -> go-around/stall/spin
actually, let me ask you jet drivers, what WOULD be the course of action say you touched down on a short-ish runway, then engage the reversers and power...but say for some reason the reversers didnt deploy and all a sudden youre powering down the runway you just touched down on..... what now???
actually, let me ask you jet drivers, what WOULD be the course of action say you touched down on a short-ish runway, then engage the reversers and power...but say for some reason the reversers didnt deploy and all a sudden youre powering down the runway you just touched down on..... what now???
unless you floated the crap out of it or are trying to land on a runway that's too short for the conditions, you should still be ableto stop without the reversers.
thanks for the responses. so basically once you touch the ground, trying to takeoff again is a really really bad idea....as seems to have been shown in this case unfortunately.
The quote from the Rare Aircraft guy at runs the company that rebuilt that WACO for AOPA a few years back I believe. It was good to see a quote from someone other than the usual media quotes. I read several that were the typical, "he was going so fast, way to high, blah, blah....".
There was the trucker driving down the road, Mary Jo the local farmer, etc....
Watching the news now, and they did have a black box that they recovered. Is that typical in a biz jet? There was also another company executive that had a lst minute change of meetings a couple of days beforehand. He was sent to Philadelphia instead.
sounds like either
a) came in too fast / wet runway, attempted go-around after touching down, not enough energy, stall/spin
or
b) correct approach -> brake malfunction? -> go-around/stall/spin
or
c) correct approach -> reversers malfunction? -> go-around/stall/spin
none of the three would be very fun to deal with. :-\
A suggestion: let's leave the Monday-morning QB'ing for the NTSB. A flightaware track and 20-second blurb from an eyewitness isn't going to cover the specifics of the incident...so out of respect for the crew it might be a good idea to leave it at "man, this is pretty tragic".
while i understand being a jerk and saying "WOW THEY SUCK" would be way out of line, i dont think trying to expand my knowledge a bit (by soliciting information from those more experienced than myself) is disrespectful.
((and i did learn more about reverse, et al, from you guys. thanks))
Incorrect. In most airliners anyway, if the reversers have not been deployed a go around is always possible.
Also, I don't think you understand how reversers work. When using the reverser levers, if they don't deploy thrust will not be increased. Just won't happen. The reverse levers are generally separate from the throttles or, the throttles are moved over an aft gate to engage them and increase power.
A suggestion: let's leave the Monday-morning QB'ing for the NTSB. A flightaware track and 20-second blurb from an eyewitness isn't going to cover the specifics of the incident...so out of respect for the crew it might be a good idea to leave it at "man, this is pretty tragic".
We just flew around that storm going from MSP to RFD. Looked nasty.
As far as the QB'ing, I don't think there is anything wrong discussing the possibilities of what could have gone wrong - as long as it's done in a professional manner. Discussing these things challenges your thinking. This accident hits a little closer to home since this is the type of flying we do all the time - therefore I'm very anxious to learn the NTSB findings when they come out - but until then, running different scenarios in my head and discussing them with other professionals can still teach everyone involved.