tgrayson
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The student is being evaluated as to his ability to act as PIC and may therefore log the flight as PIC.
:banghead: And where is THIS regulation?
The student is being evaluated as to his ability to act as PIC and may therefore log the flight as PIC.
61.47(b) and 61.47(c)
tgrayson is right.:banghead:
If the examiner is not the PIC, who is?
Easy, Guy...He's just making the point that LOGGING and BEING the PIC are not necessarily the same.Would you agree then if there was an accident during a checkride there would be nobody to blame since nobody was actually the PIC?
Would you agree then if there was an accident during a checkride there would be nobody to blame since nobody was actually the PIC? Just one guy pretending to be and another guy watching? If the applicant is serving the duties as PIC he damn well better be logging it because nobody else can!
Hmmmm....big pay cut and no flying. How can I resist that?BTW, the FAA is hiring inspectors. It may be just the job for you tgray...
arguments between tgrayson and midlifeflyer...Any chance of some of the coming back?
John Smith (CPMEL), Captain, and Rick Jones, First Officer, depart in a Navajo for a three-hour flight. After takeoff, JS punches the NAV button on the autopilot; he says to Rick, "put 10,000 in the altitude hold and arm it, will you?"
Three hours later, these pilots land and go into the office to fill out their logbooks.
If I have understood the message of this thread, here's what has to happen by the regs. Since John Smith was not the _sole_ manipulator of the controls for most of this flight (both pilots having pressed the autopilot buttons governing different axes of flight control), John logs as PIC time only those minutes he spent during the departure and arrival phases of flight.
Or, have I missed something?
Yes. You have not defined the type of operation, 91 or 'other', and/or the designtion of PIC/SIC, if required.Or, have I missed something?
"As you can see, there are two ways to log pilot in command flight time that are pertinent to your question. The first is as the pilot responsible for the safety and operation of an aircraft during flight time. If a pilot is designated as PIC for a flight by the certificate holder, as required by FAR 135.109, that person is pilot in command for the entire flight, no matter who is actually manipulating the controls of the aircraft, because that pilot is responsible for the safety and operation of the aircraft."
From an FAA letter, 1992.
So thus the "designated PIC by the certificate holder" could log PIC even though he wasnt the sole manipulator of the controls?