Coming in With a PPL..
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Micaoct
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Basically you have to redo all of the private pilot ground school, which is going to take all fall. The flight portion you do a abbreviated course with only 14 lessons, it won't take long to do but it's very redundant from what I heard. After you finish the private pilot stuff you start working on the commercial courses (221,222,323,325). 221 is what you would be doing in the spring, which consists of basic IFR and flying skills. You don't really start IFR, you just build some time as well as learn about radio navigation, Basic Instrument Flying and the skills necessary for 222 which is the IFR procedures and regulations course; where you finally start to fly IFR, do approaches and so forth.
Micaoct
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Overall I do not regret coming here at all. Winter is a little boring, but it isn't really that bad. Less things you have to do, the more work you get done anyway. I don't know if you have heard but we are going to be getting some Cessnas this July/August. I don't know any details but it should be interesting.
Only thing I would have changed is gone to a community college and completed some credits while still in high school. I honestly, in my opinion would say if you are planning on coming to UND just come and don't bother with a satellite school. When you start doing classes you can mix General Education classes with the classes required for the major and it's more fun like that. I personally am double majoring and I have been mixing up my schedule which makes it more fun and diverse. I don't really know what the satellite schools offer but I'm assuming class selection is limited. You can probably get done faster if you just come here from the get-go, and you don't have to readjust later.
Off topic side note
Summer is fun; I just got back from a ~20 mile bike ride, my arms are on fire (from the sunburn), can't feel my butt and I have a stage check tomorrow at 2. FUN, but I'm done next Saturday and I get to go home so I'm super excited.
Only thing I would have changed is gone to a community college and completed some credits while still in high school. I honestly, in my opinion would say if you are planning on coming to UND just come and don't bother with a satellite school. When you start doing classes you can mix General Education classes with the classes required for the major and it's more fun like that. I personally am double majoring and I have been mixing up my schedule which makes it more fun and diverse. I don't really know what the satellite schools offer but I'm assuming class selection is limited. You can probably get done faster if you just come here from the get-go, and you don't have to readjust later.
Off topic side note
Summer is fun; I just got back from a ~20 mile bike ride, my arms are on fire (from the sunburn), can't feel my butt and I have a stage check tomorrow at 2. FUN, but I'm done next Saturday and I get to go home so I'm super excited.
juxtapilot
Snowflake
I went into UND with a PPL, and did the test course and Avit 221. I left UND with a PPL a year later. Now I am finishing up my instrument rating, which is taking a little less than a month. Had I stayed at UND any longer I would not have had my instrument rating until I was done with multi engine training. If you have your heart set on UND, go to SFCC then main campus. UND was quite possibly the most boring flying ever. I often hear "ah damn I've gotta go fly..." That's not how it's supposed to be... My $.02
As a former UND instructor I can tell you about the Avit 112 Course. You will complete the ground school portion which takes the entire semester. the abbrievated course flyin wise can take you anywhere to two weeks to 2 months depending on motivation. The only good thing is that the ground school portion will be easy for you since you know your stuff. As far as the instrument training it goes by how you look at the regs. UND is a 141 school and because of how the regulations are set up you can aqquire your certs at lower times. If you were to go to say a part 61 route you would get the same ratings but you will have to fly more hours to get the same. 141 is more strigent and finite as to what is done while part 61 is more flexible. I did all of my training at UND and found that recieving your Instrument Commercial Single engine and Multi-Engine Cert on one ride though nerve racking, you should already know how to fly and be a commercial pilot by that time. Also if you get your instrument rating before which is doable you have to maintain instrument currency and that right there can be a problem because you are now responsible to keep instrument current and i believe the regs are changing on that so it could be a bag of mixed potatoes.
The Avit 221 course is as stated a basic IFR flying and a good majority of the flying will be solo XC. 221 is just a fun course to fly and get experience in long range flight planning. Avit 222 is where you are shooting the approach and holding for what can seem like a enternity. Some people are not cut out for the program and some are. You are not a bad pilot if you cant hack it but if you dream is to fly coporate and airline aircraft UND regimented style of training is exactly how the real world is. (not to say we dont have fun
) if you have any questions PM me or just post.
- Farva
The Avit 221 course is as stated a basic IFR flying and a good majority of the flying will be solo XC. 221 is just a fun course to fly and get experience in long range flight planning. Avit 222 is where you are shooting the approach and holding for what can seem like a enternity. Some people are not cut out for the program and some are. You are not a bad pilot if you cant hack it but if you dream is to fly coporate and airline aircraft UND regimented style of training is exactly how the real world is. (not to say we dont have fun
) if you have any questions PM me or just post.- Farva
iflythewestcoast
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PLEASE do not go to UND. I went there in 2003 and left after a year. I wasted thousands of dollars going into 112 and left after 221 with no added ratings. UND is a pilot factory, nothing more, nothing less. The academic quality of the school is worthless. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me. Do your homework and do not go to UND. When I was there, I had officials admit to me that they took money out of the cost you pay for flight instruction to help pay for general university expenses! What a jumbo joke! Go get a real college degree outside of aviation and go the part 61 route for flight instruction. You will save THOUSANDS of dollars and have a lot more fun in the process!
JaceTheAce
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DO NOT go to UND if you already have your Private. It will be a complete waste of your time and money to go through the 112 course. Save your money and go somewhere else (like a local state college and a local Part 91/121 FBO/Flight School on the side). While the flight training I received at UND was excellent, the academic side of the school was very poor. I had a much better academic education at my community college in San Diego before I went to UND and that cost only $11 a credit.
flyeagle111
CFO
Are the academics that bad?? What are they teaching you at, a fifth grade level?
av8or91
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I think some of the aviation classes are pretty good. The multi-engine class seems somewhat useless. Not sure about how the general classes are that bad. I havent been to any other school so Im not one to talk about the academics. I heard sometime back that the average grade for all UND students is a C. Not sure how that compares to other schools. Im confused about how te academics are bad???
juxtapilot
Snowflake
It was like middle school all over again. Some of the aviation classes are fine, like Human Factors. That was the one class I actually felt like I got my money's worth out of it.
av8or91
Well-Known Member
I dont know if I could compare the general ed classes to middle school. It really depends on how much work you put into it and how much you want to learn. Hopefully since you say it was like middle school you got perfect scores in all your GEN ED classes.
Human factors and flight Physiology were the best classes I have ever taken partly because Dr. Jensen is probably one of the best teachers in the aviation program. Probably one of the few people that helps you learn and understand concepts rather than making you rote memorize random things.
juxtapilot
Snowflake
I dont know if I could compare the general ed classes to middle school. It really depends on how much work you put into it and how much you want to learn. Hopefully since you say it was like middle school you got perfect scores in all your GEN ED classes.
Human factors and flight Physiology were the best classes I have ever taken partly because Dr. Jensen is probably one of the best teachers in the aviation program. Probably one of the few people that helps you learn and understand concepts rather than making you rote memorize random things.
If you put in an hour a day towards your homework and studies, and you will graduate with a 3.5 or above. I had way less homework than during high school, and the quality of education at UND was marginal at best.
Dr. Jensen is a great teacher. I actually liked Remer's aviation weather as well.
ERJFly2013
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I still have a year of high school left, but would like to get the PPL this summer. Would I be better off to wait then? I live in Ohio (30 min from CLE). Are the out of state tuition increases going to be more than it's worth?
I hear good and bad on this thread. Hmm...
I hear good and bad on this thread. Hmm...
TXaviator
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if you dont already have your PPL, DO NOT GET IT if you are going to come to UND, youll be forced to waste a lot of time and money.
and you can get in-state tuition here within 1 year of moving here. head directly to the registrars office to get details when you get here. gotta do things like register your car here, have a permanent address here, etc.
robzablob
New Member
Argghhhh!!! I really wanted to go to UND, but I really dont wan't to spend that much redoing stuff I already know, especially when the academic side isn't good.
I'm getting my PPL no doubt when I turn 17, the day of (if all plans go right). So basically, I shouldn't even come to UND to get my other ratings and what not?? I also wanted to complete my instrument rating while out of college.
Plus, on the other side, I wanted to major in Psychology at UND(just as a degree to fall back on). But it sounds to me like the non-av stuff is..a joke??
I have to admit that I'm rather confused with the opinions stated in this thread. Is UND good?? Is it bad?? A former flight instructor I had went there and said its phenomenal, but I don't see the point in wasting all this money to pay for something I already know.
Robbie
I'm getting my PPL no doubt when I turn 17, the day of (if all plans go right). So basically, I shouldn't even come to UND to get my other ratings and what not?? I also wanted to complete my instrument rating while out of college.
Plus, on the other side, I wanted to major in Psychology at UND(just as a degree to fall back on). But it sounds to me like the non-av stuff is..a joke??
I have to admit that I'm rather confused with the opinions stated in this thread. Is UND good?? Is it bad?? A former flight instructor I had went there and said its phenomenal, but I don't see the point in wasting all this money to pay for something I already know.
Robbie
TXaviator
Well-Known Member
some notes:
psychology (anywhere) as a "back up degree" is useless unless you have a Masters or PhD.
UND has a good flight department (on the whole) but the general academics are a total joke.
living in ND totally freakin sucks if youre not used to living in a village at the north pole full of hicks.
if you come with an instrument rating, UND does not view it as valid or let you excercise the privileges of that rating and you will have to pay to do not one, but TWO semesters of courses and flying to complete the instrument course here. do not do it!
av8or91
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Not sure why people keep saying the academics are garbage. There is over 12000 students, I wonder if they all think it sucks. I wouldnt make a judgement on what a few people have said here. Come experience it for your self and make your own judgement.
Im pretty sure embry riddle will honor all of your ratings if you have your commercial done. I have a friend from high school who just completed his commercial at the community college where they have an aviation program and he is tranfering to riddle and starting CFI. You should probably get over into their section just to be sure.