Pinnacle says Delta intends to terminate contract!

I really don't understand WHY DAL would do this.

I mean look at ASA- perenial dead last carrier in on-time performance. They didn't cancel their contract. I wish DAL and SKYW would get out of bed together.

PNCL is major feed for NWA (DAL). Why piss off you most important feed on the NWA side?

This directly affects us Colganites, too. We shouldn't be sitting pretty- this is a big deal.

What source? And how long ago? Was it prior to the latest D-0 initiatives that you very well may not have any idea about.

Just wondering.

Our internal data - from Delta, showing all DCI carriers - doesn't have us in last place in any performance data right now.

Wouldn't want actual statistical data to actually come into play now would we?

June 2008 MTD Performance Statistics - ALL DCI Companies
Completion Factor

XE : 99.8
OO : 99.5
EV : 99.4
RP : 99.4
9E : 99.3
S5 : 99.1
DL : 98.9
F8 : 98.4
OH : 97.2

D-0

RP : 80.3
OO : 73.1
S5 : 71.0
9E : 69.7
XE : 69.1
EV : 66.8
F8 : 64.3
OH : 62.6
DL : 62.2

A-0

OO : 62.5
XE : 63.4
EV : 62.9
RP : 62.2
9E : 57.7
S5 : 57.3
DL : 53.9
F8 : 45.0
OH : 42.2

A-14

OO : 89.0
XE : 85.6
9E : 83.1
EV : 81.5
RP : 81.2
S5 : 78.8
DL : 77.4
OH : 63.4
F8 : 61.4

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So, there you have it. Recent, current, performance figures. Not some DOT 2007 report.

Doesn't look like last, at least when compared to our fellow DCI comrades.
 
What source? And how long ago? Was it prior to the latest D-0 initiatives that you very well may not have any idea about.

Just wondering.

Our internal data - from Delta, showing all DCI carriers - doesn't have us in last place in on-time performance (D-0, and A-14).

http://www.transtats.bts.gov/carriers.asp?pn=1

Usually, internal documents for a fee-for-departure carrier mainly focus around "Controllable" delays, since the contract is tied to that. There were time when CHQ we had 85+% on time, but real life was like 60% due to "uncontrollable" delays.

Examples of "controllable" delays are: flight crew (whether someone's in jail from humping a FA in the bushes on an overnight or the company is short staffed, doesn't matter), MX such as forgetting to do a scheduled check or the like. The company typically holds meetings everyday to turn what was coded as a controllable delay to an uncontrollable delay. If it can't be converted to an uncontrollable delay, then the finger pointing begins. Usually, since you're (as in the Captain of the flight) isn't at the meeting, you'll get a call from a CP type wanting to know about the delay. The urgence is to get it done before, what I call, the period of ease is over and the info is archived.
 
All I have to do is point to the internal data to show where we actually place when compared to our fellow DCI comrades. Which, after all, is what Delta is using to base their decision(s) off of when it comes to downgrading the DCI fleet. Along with the obvious fact that without the resources ASA has, no other company would be able to provide the amount of lift into and out of Atlanta for Delta right now. That is, unless they purchase ASA from Skywest Inc. for our aircraft and infrastructure.

Nevertheless, I got the underlying tone of what our good friend Smittey was saying.
 
June 2008 MTD Performance Statistics - ALL DCI Companies
Completion Factor

XE : xx.8
OO : xx.5
EV : xx.4
RP : xx.4
9E : xx.3
S5 : xx.1
DL : xx.9
F8 : xx.4
OH : xx.2

D-0

RP : xx.3
OO : xx.1
S5 : xx.0
9E : xx.7
XE : xx.1
EV : xx.8
F8 : xx.3
OH : xx.6
DL : xx.2

A-0

OO : xx.5
XE : xx.4
EV : xx.9
RP : xx.2
9E : xx.7
S5 : xx.3
DL : xx.9
F8 : xx.0
OH : xx.2

A-14

OO : xx.0
XE : xx.6
9E : xx.1
EV : xx.5
RP : xx.2
S5 : xx.8
DL : xx.4
OH : xx.4
F8 : xx.4

Just an FYI, I'd NEVER, EVER, EVER recommend publishing internal information quoted from a memo, espcially info that's not publicly available. I surely would NEVER, EVER, EVER publish internal performance numbers on a website that anyone can view. I also would NEVER, EVER, EVER publish anything like that while on PROBATION

...but that's just me
 
Look on how many of those 9E is actually ahead of ASA, though. Behind by 0.1 on one of them and behind 5.2 on another. The rest, we're actually ahead of ASA. More fuel for the "performance" fire, I guess. The only thing I can think of is they're looking at the 57.7 on A-0. DOT views within 15 minutes of scheduled arrival as "on-time," hence the A-14 chart. The gist of what Smittey was saying was there are DCI carriers out there with worse performance that aren't getting their contracts canceled. Comair would be totally SOL if they were canceling or moving around deals based on performance.

I'd like a good look at that ASA we signed with Delta. If it has such a high target for A-0, then our management really should be taken out and beaten for signing it.....
 
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Unless it's YOUR Company's name plastered on the side of the airplane (and the stealth plans that Republic is flying around don't count) you ain't ####.
 
Steve,

Don't worry man. My issues are not with Pinnacle. My issue is with using data that ranks us against ALL companies instead of ranking us against our fellow DCI carriers when discussing the issues of which of us are worse performing within the Delta system.

You mention your management's decision to accept the ASA. Well, word on the other side of the street is that the decision to accept it was a flawed one to begin with. Doesn't make things any better, and certainly the employees should not be placed on the block or blamed for the issues of not meeting the performance criteria that was unattainable in the first place.
 
Second, stay involved with what's up with the company and industry. Are they making money? Did they lose money? Was it an operational loss or due to a "one-time charge?" What's the next "cool" idea? Is it a gigantic TProp, or is it the "Holding Company" concept?

Here's one of my fav sources for industry info. It's free to me: http://www.submag.com/sub/ao

To the mods: I hope this isn't incongruent with the ToS. If so, I apologize....
 
ASA Lowest On-Time performance of any US Carrier

56%

http://www.bts.gov/press_releases/2007/dot077_07/html/dot077_07.html

Hey man- I'm just saying. Look what ASA did and Delta didn't cancel their contract. I just think there is more to this PNCL thing.

ASA is awesome and I love you surreal. I'm not trying to stir the pot.

This was actually on purpose because of the contract negotiations. ;) I also understand that ASA's contract with D is different and a bit harder to pull than other DCI carriers. Still, without knowing the details, this seems like a shady move by Delta.
 
Steve,

Don't worry man. My issues are not with Pinnacle. My issue is with using data that ranks us against ALL companies instead of ranking us against our fellow DCI carriers when discussing the issues of which of us are worse performing within the Delta system.

Here's what I think. They should look at what performance each of us negotiated and agreed to in the individual carriage contracts.....and nothing else. It's fine to use the performance numbers when the contract is up to re-negotiate or decide if it should be renewed then. But I can't sign a deal with a lawn care company, see the guy across the street is getting better service and terminate the deal based on that. I'd be slapped with breach of contract and lose in roughly 1.8 seconds. Part of the problem we have here is everything is so cloak and dagger. We don't know what our performance goals are, so we as employees (and stakeholders in the company) don't know where we stand. Is the on-time arrival goal 67% for the month or 70%? Should I actually TRY to get there on time by burning extra gas or try to save money by flying the profile? If the company was more forthcoming on issues like this, we'd be better informed as employees and know what we need to do to keep our jobs and positions. Unfortunately, upper management deems this "need to know" info, the people that DO know about it have signed a confidentiality agreement and we get vague things like "We hit our target number for the month." The sad thing is I don't know if we have a leg to stand on. I can find out what our on-time performance was for each individual month (along with if the delays were air carrier induced, ATC or weather), but I have no idea what the goals were in the contract. If I trusted management a bit more, I might not care as much. Our management, however, likes to keep us in the dark or spread misinformation, which, of course, breeds mistrust. My livelihood is in the hands of a group of people I don't trust, and that scares me.

You mention your management's decision to accept the ASA. Well, word on the other side of the street is that the decision to accept it was a flawed one to begin with. Doesn't make things any better, and certainly the employees should not be placed on the block or blamed for the issues of not meeting the performance criteria that was unattainable in the first place.

Luckily, the employees aren't getting the blame for this one.....yet. With our performance numbers over the past year (and the stellar ones we're putting up now) along with our cost structure, it shouldn't be a problem for our management to find homes for those 16 jets. The albatross for the company is the lack of a pilot contract. With a 99% strike vote, any carrier that we bid on an RFP for is gonna have that in the back of their minds. With oil where it is now, no one can really afford a 1 day strike, much less a week or two.

Personally, I think ASA between major airlines and their regional partners should be public knowledge. I don't see how they aren't with publicly traded companies like Pinnacle. How do we know our management didn't sign a crappy deal? I'd like to know how effective my management team is at negotiating contracts that benefit BOTH sides rather than just signing any deal that comes along. I'm sure the shareholders (especially since our stock is hovering near a 52 week low and fallen $15 a share in a year) would like to know that as well.
 
Don't forget the other hidden performance factors...which woud be where each carrier has its operations and how many flights are operated by said carriers. If your operating out of ATL with 9 aircraft and scheduled for so many flights you should have really good numbers, versus another carrier who is operating 160 aircraft out of three or four different hubs.
Like Polar said, each flight that is cancelled or is delayed gets coded for the cause of the delay or cancellation. There's meetings and teleconferences all day long and some which include the parent carrier. If Delta cancels our flights for weather or to further their ops we get phone calls and its also via message. The cancellation is coded that it was a Delta cancellation, plus we have the messages filed in case of discrepencies. We still get paid for the canceled flight. Cancellations and delays are kept track of very closely.
 
Don't forget the other hidden performance factors...which woud be where each carrier has its operations and how many flights are operated by said carriers. If your operating out of ATL with 9 aircraft and scheduled for so many flights you should have really good numbers, versus another carrier who is operating 160 aircraft out of three or four different hubs.
Like Polar said, each flight that is cancelled or is delayed gets coded for the cause of the delay or cancellation. There's meetings and teleconferences all day long and some which include the parent carrier. If Delta cancels our flights for weather or to further their ops we get phone calls and its also via message. The cancellation is coded that it was a Delta cancellation, plus we have the messages filed in case of discrepencies. We still get paid for the canceled flight. Cancellations and delays are kept track of very closely.


Exactly what my main man said.

Our numbers at OH are not that impressive due to our operation at JFK. The delays we get are 98% not our fault. ATC and DL ramp control are a big factor for us. As also for mainline. Anyone arriving between 1500-1800 hours good luck. DL has too many flights and not enough gate space at JFK.
 
Steve,

Dude, I feel for you guys. Always have, especially with this contract negotiating that is dragging on and on and on and on, etc. Now, to hear that you guys don't have any idea of what your performance goals are for a month is really just beyond me.

You guys are the frontline for your company and start the engines, and shut them down. On time, or delayed.

You guys should know more than anyone what your performance goals need to be for the month.

I don't know about the other DCI carriers, but we at ASA know very well what our goals are - almost on a weekly basis.

Good luck man
 
I thought this was about PCL not ASA. And let's try to keep company business within the company.. k? thanks
 
I'll agree with that. Just know some of the three letter combination of ASA in this thread is not in regards to the airline ASA.
 
Exactly what my main man said.

Our numbers at OH are not that impressive due to our operation at JFK. The delays we get are 98% not our fault. ATC and DL ramp control are a big factor for us. As also for mainline. Anyone arriving between 1500-1800 hours good luck. DL has too many flights and not enough gate space at JFK.

The breakdown I saw of our stuff on the DOT site had less than 10% of our delays as "Air carrier delays." Most of them were ATC delays. I'm starting to think that management here signed an unrealistic deal, and we're all gonna pay the price for their incompetence.
 
So first Mesa, now Pinnacle.... So as much as we tend to put others down who's next? ASA/Comair/SKW/RAH/Xjet? (did I miss any) Just sickens ya to see such. I know they are using the meeting the contract as the way of getting out but give me a break. Just this should be a big eye opening event to all of us that anyones job can be gone tomorrow. This in a way just seems to be DAL's way of trying to cut their domestic routes and thus them not giving two S&&ts about anyone they will plow under while doing so.

Regardless perhaps I'm way off but this just makes ya wonder whats next for DAL? Now I know there's a lot of dislike out there for Mesa/Pinnacle but the fact of the matter is anyone could be next, or am I missing something?
 
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