steer clear

tiredofshoveling

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Stay away from ATP's bigger locales. Anyone hanging around at ATP for too long is bound to be damaged goods. Chief pilots dont need to be here. Stick with locations where the instructors run the show and know the examiners. Ask all the questions u can. I can't recommend the 90 day program the quality of instruction is fair considering the time frame but the support by management is nonexistent. The instructors put together their own cirriculum cause atp management is not organized enough to do it themselves. Go with the 10 month program if possible at a locale that is small and u live near. Better yet go somewhere else, still the multi-time is nice.

my 2 cents
 
Stay away from ATP's bigger locales. Anyone hanging around at ATP for too long is bound to be damaged goods. Chief pilots dont need to be here. Stick with locations where the instructors run the show and know the examiners. Ask all the questions u can. I can't recommend the 90 day program the quality of instruction is fair considering the time frame but the support by management is nonexistent. The instructors put together their own cirriculum cause atp management is not organized enough to do it themselves. Go with the 10 month program if possible at a locale that is small and u live near. Better yet go somewhere else, still the multi-time is nice.

my 2 cents
SUA is nice for those above reasons. Sounds like another one stepped on one of the many land mines at ATP. Tread carefully, keep a low profile, and you won't step on any land mines unless you are unlucky.
 
SUA is nice for those above reasons. Sounds like another one stepped on one of the many land mines at ATP. Tread carefully, keep a low profile, and you won't step on any land mines unless you are unlucky.

One should not have to keep a low profile or worry about land mines when they are the customer... or do you mean it in that way?
 
One should not have to keep a low profile or worry about land mines when they are the customer... or do you mean it in that way?

IT's like anything in life, if you rub the wrong person the wrong way, either it be at a flight school or a job, you won't be around as long as you'd like. Well also at ATP, due to the nature of the program, you MUST perform or you get kicked out, I agree with that, wish I could do that to some of my students at my flight school... Just take note of just how many people say "Stear clear of Jax" vs the ones that say it is fine. One or two people saying to stay clear is nothing, but when you hear it from 30, 40 different people, theres something wrong.
JAX has a lot of Type A's. Theres also some great guys there like Matt. Some of the flight instructors at JAX are not contractors but actual salaried employees.
Hey, just do this for kicks, next time your at JAX, hang around the maintenance hangar, NOT inside it, don't dare do that, but hang just outside of it, you'll see the attitude of JAX come alive in front of you in the form of a mechanic who thinks pilots are idiots and he is god. Others in JAX are not as open about their feelings of you but do the same thing with the keyboard silently.
Places like SUA are run by the instructors, the evil ones only communicate with them via the telephone, at least they can't see you, the student for most of your time at ATP to be judgemental towards you. I went there, I have many friends, many who made it through, many who opted to not do CFI part of it, and many who were kicked out. Strange how nearly all of them who got kicked out were either in JAX, or were kicked out or left before doing CFI only after going to JAX. And others like Kfour did quite well in JAX from what I can gather. Like I said, theres land mines, you need to avoid stepping on them. And I am ignoring my own advice by writing all of this, I am sure theres a few at ATP who know who I am and well... You know, it is a small industry.
 
JAX has a lot of Type A's. Theres also some great guys there like Matt. Some of the flight instructors at JAX are not contractors but actual salaried employees.

No one at atp is a private contractor.....

However your comments about the certain mx person is absolutely correct.
 
Salaried employees.... Del posted a great article the other day. You get 2k plus bonuses. However look at the posting Del did the other day. It does great justice to the situation.

Who is Del? You've referenced this name several times. I think I know who you mean, but his name sure as hell isn't Del.
 
Salaried employees.... Del posted a great article the other day. You get 2k plus bonuses. However look at the posting Del did the other day. It does great justice to the situation.

HA! unless something has changed at ATP, their instructors are definitely not salaried employees.

what posting are you talking about?
 
HA! unless something has changed at ATP, their instructors are definitely not salaried employees.

what posting are you talking about?

De727UPS! Check out his post about private contracts inside one of the other threads. I didnt mean Del.
 
Yeah, that would be Don. Not Del.

But either way, Blee, you are right. For tax purposes, ATP still considers their CFI's to be private contractors. According to the letter of the law, they really aren't, which Don explained pretty well in another post. That said, they've been doing it for a REALLY long time now and the IRS hasn't said anything so far (as far as I know) so I'm guessing that somehow, through some legal loophole, they do in fact qualify as private contractors.
 
Thats pretty funny, I remember the speech by Phil Cooper saying I was a private contractor. What I am saying is that some instructors are not "private contractors" but are rather special and considered "salaried" employees. Remember the post about one person unhappy about ATP standardization, saying it was not professional? The said instructor was let go? He was never fired, he was simply moved back to Jax to instruct, he is a "salaried" instructor. A "private contractor" instructor most likely would of been let go.
 
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