surreal1221
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But with that said, perhaps the day will come as well for you Don, when you won't want your name used on the internet. 
XJT Rejects SKW's Takeover Bid
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Are you suggesting that you want to see those that don't hold the same opinion as you to be censored or banned? Please clarify, I'm intrigued.
Just because you aren't apart of ALPA doesn't mean you are "anti-union".
Furthermore you can improve this profession without being a card carrying union member.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Gee, such a nice guy, that JA.
:banghead:I've started making a point of recommending aspiring pilots to get liberal arts degrees or other non-business degrees to steer them clear of this crap. Nothing worse than a pilot who thinks like management.
Agreed.
Of course.
There are a few thousand pilots in this industry that know my real name. I'm not too concerned.
Beg to differ.
Trip7
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I've met Bumblebee. Awesome guy. I've met PCL_128, awesome guy. I think plenty of the message each is trying to convey is lost just because it is typed and not spoken. I know for sure if we were all sitting at a table talking about this issue it would not go this way. I say we just let this one go for now and put it on NJC 08 Roundtable Disscussion. There nothing worse than having two people who never met each other hate each other when had they met prior to forum debating they would get along just fine. Believe me I've seen it happen! (PCL_128, Jtrain)
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Just to kinda echo 777, I could SOO see Dale and PCL getting along. Believe it or not, you guys probably agree more than you disagree. A lot of the message is getting lost on the forum, which, sadly, seems to be an increasing trend here lately.
I think we're also starting to get in the realm of turning OFF the anti-union guys by belittling them. By essentially calling someone stupid and selfish, you're really only going to do one thing: cause them to stop listening to you altogether. Kinda hard to get the message across of the GOOD things unions can do when your audience has left the building.
I think we're also starting to get in the realm of turning OFF the anti-union guys by belittling them. By essentially calling someone stupid and selfish, you're really only going to do one thing: cause them to stop listening to you altogether. Kinda hard to get the message across of the GOOD things unions can do when your audience has left the building.
zmiller4
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:yeahthat:
And to go a step further, I think a lot of guys at Skywest see a huge amount of hypocrisy in people who criticize them repeatedly for "lowering the bar" who themselves worked at companies with drastically worse pay and work rules. For those of us that want to see a union on property, it really doesn't help to have this overly simplistic hardline view be the loudest voice of ALPA on the internet. To a lot of guys at Skywest it just comes across as ridiculous, and while I don't disagree with a lot of points that the hardline ALPA guys make here, I definately don't fault my coworkers for being seriously turned off by it.
surreal1221
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No.
Of course.
Of course, but if you're a 121 passenger pilot I feel the only way to improve and strengthen the profession is through the work of a collective group of individuals (union).
As far as other segments of the profession, that's up to those involved in those segments to do what they like.
surreal1221
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You're Welcome
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Just to be perfectly clear, I don't "hate" Bumblebee at all. I merely can't respect his opinion on this issue. There is a difference.
There was a contract at the company I worked for in Alaska too.
Of course, if the company didn't like anything in the contract they'd just change the contract to what they wanted to change and announce what it was. With pay cuts they just have to let you know before you do work at the different wage. So a day's notice suffices...
Your pilot group doesn't have a legal bargaining agent. The company can ask opinions, but there's no legal requirement for them to abide by this "SAPA" group that they formed to "represent" you. Otherwise you'd call it "a union."
As I said above... if you had a real "representative group" then you'd have a "company union" and still be unionized...
I've had a few Skywest guys tell me "if the company will match what the rest of the industry negotiates for pay, why pay union dues?"
I think that's the worst mindset I've heard from any side on these issues. It's also the most selfish. Acknowledgement that the union helps... with an attitude that the rest of the profession can work for it and they'll just ride the coat tails.
I know that not everyone is like that, but those guys were the only ones I talked to who weren't adamently pro ALPA. I was somewhat worried that the majority of the pilots there had that opinion.
I do feel better that Bumblebee isn't using that type of statement in his arguments. I get the feeling he honestly believes it is a good arrangement.
I would be interested to hear you expound on this thought a little further, please.
surreal1221
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Replied to in PM.
BajtheJino
I'm looking at you.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
I have a feeling it might go the other way. The more I start to think about it, after reading the contract over, JA is probably taking on the absolute worst pilot group imaginable. The new guys aren't willing to give a shred of the contract up because we've already been ridden so hard, and the guys that have been around for a few years were around when, or shortly after our contract was put in place, so they are most likely apt to hold onto every piece of that contract.
JA might be about to find out what happens when you #### a stranger in the ass, though I've got more reading to do before I decide if the pilot group would rather burn the place to the ground than be pushed around. I can tell you that it might not work out as well for the Skywest pilot group as ya'll might think, and this won't be a cake walk by any stretch of the imagination.
Trip7
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Sure is, I chose the wrong word in using "hate" Anyways, you guys would have a better understanding of each other in person. BTW we need to have another ATL M&G. Surreal already knows party at my house when I hit 2nd year pay in Nov:nana2:
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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I keep talking with Josh about another M & G, but he's too busy with that training nonsense. You'd think that he would know that drinking takes priority over training. 