Pilot owned and operated airline

PCL_128 said:
The type-A personalities of pilots are only exceeded by management. No one is more stereotypically type-A than a CEO.



Huh? Who, Iverson? Nope. The pilots of Kiwi were EAL strikers, not SCABs.



If you think UAL Contract '00 was the cause of their bankruptcy, then you need to do some more research. Pilot contracts don't bankrupt airlines, no matter what Ford & Harrison wants you to believe.
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Nowhere did I say that the pilot contract was THE cause of the bankruptcy. What I said was, it positioned the company poorly to compete. I'm sure Goodwin expected the other airlines to follow suit. Delta did, but then 9/11 happened, and pay raises went out the window at all the other airlines. That left United and Delta with pilot labor costs that were way above their competitors. The two sides couldn't agree on concessions, so UAL management used bankruptcy as leverage, So in a sense, Contract 2000 did force the bankruptcy.
 
skydog said:
Nowhere did I say that the pilot contract was THE cause of the bankruptcy. What I said was, it positioned the company poorly to compete. I'm sure Goodwin expected the other airlines to follow suit. Delta did, but then 9/11 happened, and pay raises went out the window at all the other airlines. That left United and Delta with pilot labor costs that were way above their competitors. The two sides couldn't agree on concessions, so UAL management used bankruptcy as leverage, So in a sense, Contract 2000 did force the bankruptcy.
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Lay off the management kool-aid. UAL pilots could have worked for absolutely nothing in the years following 9/11, and the company still would have lost billions and gone into bankruptcy. Pilot costs are barely a blip on the financial radar of airlines!
 
pilatus028 said:
Huh? Who, Iverson? Nope. The pilots of Kiwi were EAL strikers, not SCABs.
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I was under the assumption that Gulfstream was created by a scab EAL pilot. Could someone clear this up for me so I get the facts straight.
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Yes, that's correct. I thought you were talking about Kiwi since your post came right after Seggy's Kiwi post. GIA isn't owned by the SCAB anymore, though. He sold most of his ownership to an investment group.
 
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