Cleveland Center Position

"Checking out quicker" is meant in the sense of transferring to another location. I'm sure a majority of us are here for the long haul but us 2007 applicants weren't offered a nationwide selection. We had to apply for each state that had an opening and the options were few and far between. So quite a few of us are going to less desirable locations thousands of miles from family just to get to the opportunity. "Checking out quicker," is regarding hopes of transferring closer to home at some time.
 
Why be concerned about checking out quickly? Simply because you have to check out, and work for a year, prior to being able to transfer to a different facility.

It only makes sense to me, if you've received a TOL for a facility that you don't want to go to, and it's a high level facility, to not accept the offer, because more than likely you're not going to be able to transfer out of it. If he were able to obtain a transfer, within state, it would be to his best interest to accept a smaller level facility, where he could check out quickly, and be able to transfer out of relatively quickly, to his choice facility.
 
I got lucky and got the location I wanted (even though I actually wanted Indy approach since it's up and down facility) . I could pick 5 states under my VRA and just got the luck of the draw. I was going wherever they sent me seeing how in FY 2003 only 13 controllers were hired. I"m not missing out on the opportunity to get in...
 
why is it more difficult to transfer out of a large level 12 facility? I thought it would be easier to transfer out because people want to transfer in and take your job.

Flyguy63 what do you mean that a tower facility has greater flexibility?
 
Anytime that you transfer from a lower level facility to a highter level facility, it is considered a promotion, thus you're guaranteed a transfer. That's not to say that the transfer is instantaneous; I believe that they have up to a year to actually let you go. If you start out at a level 12, and you don't like it, more than likely you're not going to get your transfer request approved. First of all, they put 5 or so years into your training, and secondly because your wouldn't be able to transer into another facilitiy, for a promotion.
 
ajcowling,
where did you find out that information? these are things that I am interested in knowing, there is alot about the FAA system that I don't understand and want to know. I will probably be asking some questions during the interview part of my pepc.
 
haha. that is very true. That is one of the things that I love about this message board, discovering that i'm not the only one confused about this whole system. :-)
 
I got my information from doing a lot of research and from the mentor that was assigned to me at the Miami PEPC, who was an ATC manager from LA (a very nice guy may I add). www.atccti.com also has a lot of good info.
 
Hey Aj, do you know if its difficult to transfer to a facility at the same level? I'm curious after that 5 years of training, if I would be able to transfer to one of the two lvl 12 Tracons in Northern California. I'd like to get somewhat close to home throughout my career. Thanks
 
As far as lateral transfers go, I hear that it's fairly easy to transfer to another facility within the region where you work, but very difficult to transfer laterally to a facility outside of your region. In the latter case, someone from that region would have to be wanting to transfer into your region, in order to transfer out. This is what one of my ATC professor's told me anyway. So, pretty much either start small, so that you could get promoted to a larger level facility outside of your region, go to a desirable region (like the South East), or make darn well sure that you accept a position in a region that you would like to stay in. Everyone wants to go straight for the big bucks, as far as facilities go, but in some ways it's best to start small, that way you have more avenues to explore, once you become certified, and you're not tied down to a certain geographical area.
 
blueskies said:
Hey I hear ya....I was a Manager for a retail store for 5 years and i only recieved salary plus premium pay... so for all of the hours i worked over , or all of the holidays i worked i got about $6 an hour after my salary cap ...lol so im all for OT :) :p Best of Luck !
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hey, im the guy from ohio, we talked in Chicago on 4-11-08. i see you did well on your score. great job! i also passed with well qualified!
let me know how the rest of your job seeking with the FAA goes.
 
NSTiG8 said:
hey, im the guy from ohio, we talked in Chicago on 4-11-08. i see you did well on your score. great job! i also passed with well qualified!
if you dont mind, send me an email and let me know of any updates after i get your email i will keep you posted on mine, my email is ***:panic:
Good luck with the job!
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You might want to erase that posting with your e-mail for EVERY ONE to see....Just a thought
 
zucknr said:
why is it more difficult to transfer out of a large level 12 facility? I thought it would be easier to transfer out because people want to transfer in and take your job.

Flyguy63 what do you mean that a tower facility has greater flexibility?
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Lower level facilities have the job of getting controllers ready for higher level jobs. This is part of the reason they wouldn't want you transferring back down or "demoting" yourself. It's also tougher working the higher level facilities so they want the people that know how to do the job to stay.

There are more towers than there are centers so a tower controller has lots of places to move to while a center controller does not. Some of my instructors worked in both centers and towers so it's not impossible to switch between the two i guess.
 
I don't know of anyone who has been granted a transfer from center to tower, but tower to center, under most circumstances is considered a promotion; center's are normally higher levels.
 
ajcowing said:
I don't know of anyone who has been granted a transfer from center to tower, but tower to center, under most circumstances is considered a promotion; center's are normally higher levels.
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The facility support manager that interviewed me started at ZLC, transfered to a TRACON and then transfered to SLC tower. All 10's.
You can bid on transfering to any facility what it comes down to is if your manager will let you go and if the other manager will accept you.
 
hate to break your bubbles nubees, but if you accept a enroute position you will be there a long long long long time, unless you quit or are washed out and if you wash out your in the street ,they may not place you in another position.this is the new FFA and it dose not matter what happened years ago.in the central service area they are no longer allowing enroute to transfer to terminal controller to controller positions.if you are a ATC-12 terminal or enroute you will not be able to transfer to another controller position you see they need the bodys.

you folks should worry more about getting hired and actually checking out some were before you worry about transferring.its a long long long process.
 
Well said queeno.

All of us newbies need to realize that with controllers retiring at a higher rate then they can be replaced, don't expect the friendliest manager to authorize a tranfer bid for at least 10-15 years. I'm not saying it won't
happen, just don't expect it too.
If you don't see yourself wanting to live where your choosing facility is located for 10 years or more, do yourself a favor and decline the postition.

I've wrote before, if you have made it on the referral list of a location you really want, call the facility, ask for the manager and let them know your name and info and tell them you really want to be apart of that team. When he/she goes to OKC for the selection panel and comes across your name, he/she will remember what you had told them.
 
I'm still unclear on who exactly goes to OKC to make the selections - I've spoken to at least 4-5 facility managers who made it sound like they could make requests, but it was out of their hands as to who was assigned to their facility. At least 2 facility managers have specifically told me they have requested me, but that it's "up to the panel" to decide who goes where.

Anyone know if the facility managers themselves attend the panel, or is it someone at the regional level making those calls?
 
Beehive said:
Well said queeno.

All of us newbies need to realize that with controllers retiring at a higher rate then they can be replaced, don't expect the friendliest manager to authorize a tranfer bid for at least 10-15 years. I'm not saying it won't
happen, just don't expect it too.
If you don't see yourself wanting to live where your choosing facility is located for 10 years or more, do yourself a favor and decline the postition.

I've wrote before, if you have made it on the referral list of a location you really want, call the facility, ask for the manager and let them know your name and info and tell them you really want to be apart of that team. When he/she goes to OKC for the selection panel and comes across your name, he/she will remember what you had told them.
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The higher facility says "hey, we want this guy" and the lower facility is almost required to let him go nearly all the time. This is the info i received from my instructor. More openings also means more opportunities for controllers to move around. The higher facilities would rather bring in someone experienced and ready to handle the job. Controllers entering the work force right now are gonna gain seniority real fast and have a good chance of transferring fairly soon after getting checked out.
 
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