USAir Pilot To Be Fired For Handgun Going Off

PCL_128 said:
The problem is that the equipment is so flawed that it is extremely difficult to tell whether you are correctly following the procedure. In other words, even if you think you are doing everything right, you might not be. I think there's a video out there on the internet that demonstrates this, but since it's technically SSI, I won't link to it.



With all due respect, there was nothing "uncivil" about that post.
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Yes, the locking/stowing procedure as it is presently is questionably safe normally and considering how many times a FFDO has to do it I'm surprised an AD hasn't occured sooner. I say it is questionably safe because it offers no real benefit and this type of procedure is unprecedented and as far as I know has never been implemented anywhere in the world -- ever -- so there is no basis to know its history of safety except what it is creating for itself now.

This doesn't even get into the potential for complacency in following the procedure that may develop after you've done it uneventfully 500 times this year.
 
PCL_128 said:
Your guess would be incorrect. This is a legal matter, not a moral one. No matter how much ALPA may want to help, they cannot.
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Well, I apologize, then we both hope that ALPA does whatever they are legally able to do (whatever that may be, I am not a lawyer either).

As far as knowing the USAPA leaders, I don't. I just think its a shame if they can't co-operate in order to give him the best possible defense. But after reading some threads on the topic, I can see how it would be difficult.
 
Ian J said:
In the military no one would be discharged for a first time offense, but they would probably be demoted and have some pay taken away (and some other stuff that wouldn't apply in the civilian world.)
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You mean like they did to Private Pyle in Full Metal Jacket, where they made him run around the platoon while they marched?

There was another cheesy movie where that was the punishment but I don't remember it. I think it had Clint Eastwood in it?
 
Doug Taylor said:
Wow, taking a study break to read about guns and end up reading about collective bargaining!
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No offense to PCL, but there is a lot of him in every thread these days. It's hard NOT to read a thread about unions lately. I'm probably not the only one who is starting to think this is more unioncareers.com than jetcareers.com.

I understand the need for education, but good lord is it becoming a dead horse.

tonyw said:
You mean like they did to Private Pyle in Full Metal Jacket, where they made him run around the platoon while they marched?

There was another cheesy movie where that was the punishment but I don't remember it. I think it had Clint Eastwood in it?
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Ha! No, some would consider Army corrective training to be abusive or demeaning so I'll choose not to discuss it. ;)
 
Ian J said:
No offense to PCL, but there is a lot of him in every thread these days. It's hard NOT to read a thread about unions lately. I'm probably not the only one who is starting to think this is more unioncareers.com than jetcareers.com.
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It's a thread about a guy getting fired. For unions not to be discussed in that kind of thread would be ridiculous.
 
Yes, you're right.

I really didn't mean to come off as snarky - my point is simple. People say if you don't want to read about a subject, don't click on the thread. This is harder and harder because of your recent increase in posting. It's not that I dislike you or disagree with you. It's that your pet issue is turning up everywhere. It is getting to the point when I click on "new posts" all I see is "PCL_128" down the page and I groan. Same old stuff, different day.

Sure it's important stuff, but the website is out of balance now.
 
Yeah, maybe I'm the only one. I probably have some sort of disorder. I'll shut my yap-trap.
 
would it make more of a difference if these type of threads were under the airline pilot forum? cuz technically, that's where they should be. plus, they're easy to move ;)
 
TheShortOne said:
man, that was uncalled for
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Not at all. A pilot that was a safety hazard on a flight does not deserve to fly. Simple as that. There is no excuse for causing a safety hazard risking 100+ passengers. Putting someone like this back into the cockpit would not be a wise decision. Safety is safety. Once compromised, it should be dealt with. Bad pilots that sacrifice safety should not fly for an airline. Even if it was an "accident" the gun still should have been properly stored, safety on, and not taken out of its harness unless needed for the safety of the flight.

A gun will not go off accidentally unless someone tampers with it. Any way for the gun to go off starts with a person. In this case it was the pilot of the aircraft. They require the proper training for a reason. That is for safety of or you and others on board the aircraft.

Sure the pilot is professionally trained to fly and has been flying for a while but he demonstrated a lack of safety with the gun he possessed by ignoring his previous training. That image doesn't work well with an airline, especially when safety is a concern for customers. There is a reason why the airlines look at your traffic records, it is the same deal. Breaking the law on the road could happen in the air. Firing a bullet through the airframe of the aircraft is just as bad. The cockpit is not the place for incompetence.
 
Maurus, no offense, but you're really out of your element here. You don't know FFDO procedures, and you don't know what took place on this flight. Your judgement of this pilot is uncalled for.
 
The fire arm went off correct? It wont just go off unless the firearm is handled improperly.

There is no uncalled for judgment.
 
Like I said, you don't understand FFDO procedures and equipment, and they can't be discussed openly here. If you knew what happened in this situation, you wouldn't be so judgmental.
 
PCL_128 said:
Maurus, no offense, but you're really out of your element here. You don't know FFDO procedures, and you don't know what took place on this flight. Your judgement of this pilot is uncalled for.
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ahhh just as your judgement as to whether or not he voted for USAPA eh?! so, Amber was onto something then..... ;)

must be said that if you don't know *exactly* what happened....


:D
 
PCL_128 said:
Like I said, you don't understand FFDO procedures and equipment, and they can't be discussed openly here. If you knew what happened in this situation, you wouldn't be so judgmental.
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I have looked deeper into it and found some items that would have prevented the discharge. I know, I have to keep everything vague.

I did find the problem, but I see it pretty far fetched.
 
PCL_128 said:
I don't know what you've found, but if you've found the same information that's been put on line that I mentioned earlier, then it's not far fetched. It's exactly what happened.
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This is great how we have to talk about this :p

If it is the same stuff, it was a known issue that could easily be averted.
 
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