ID Required to fly? No!

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<H1 id=storyTitle>Although airport security tells passengers they must show ID to board planes, they really dont
By SCOTT CANON and MIKE RICE
The Kansas City Star
Flying across the country? Leave your pocketknife in the car. Don’t carry more than a few ounces of liquids onto the plane. And don’t forget that ID.
Wait? ID? Turns out we don’t need no stinking ID.
Sure enough, leaving it behind will buy you hassle. It will probably annoy those in line behind you as the bottleneck of security slows from crawl to standstill. And it means you’re in for a thorough frisking and a greater likelihood that the possessions you’ve dragged along on your journey will be tested for traces of explosives.
But the Transportation Security Administration concedes you still should be able to board that plane.
Consider the travels of Phillip Mocek, a Seattle software developer who grew up in Blue Springs. A few years ago, he read about a court case challenging various U.S. travel rules and decided he didn’t like the idea of having to prove his identity to board a jet.
“I object to what I see as the federal government making a requirement for me to travel around my own country,” Mocek said. “So I started testing the system.”
Two or three years ago — he can’t recall exactly when he started — Mocek headed out on trips with his driver’s license planted firmly out of view. (“I still carried it with me. My need to get places, if necessary, would have overridden my desire to flex my rights.”)
And time and again, he got where he wanted to go. He’d arrive at an airport with his boarding pass already printed and head to the security check.
“I would say, ‘I don’t have any ID to show you.’ I very clearly did not want to lie, but I did not want to anger somebody by saying, ‘I don’t want to show you my ID,’ ” Mocek said, conceding he was parsing words.
Each time he would be subject to extra clearance — “I understand that’s the way it is now” — but he always got cleared to fly.
After a visit last month to see family, he went to Kansas City International Airport to catch his flight back to Seattle.
To his thinking, the questions from the private security detail at the facilities’ far-flung gates seemed more intrusive than he’d experienced elsewhere. He thought that being sent back to the airline counter for another boarding pass was unnecessary. But in the end, with the usual extra frisking, he flew without pulling out his ID.
Still, he was particularly annoyed at signs at KCI declaring that a government ID was required to fly. So when he returned home, he logged onto the TSA Web site and posted a complaint.
Eventually, a TSA official wrote back.
“TSA requires travelers to produce a valid form of government-issued ID to verify that the name on the travel document matches the ID,” the response said.
But then it went on in seeming contradiction: “If a traveler is unwilling or unable to produce a valid form of ID, the traveler is required to undergo additional screening at the checkpoint to gain access to the secured area of the airport.”
So an ID is required, except that it’s not.
“If you have an ID,” TSA spokeswoman Andrea McCauley said in an interview, “we highly encourage that you use that ID, because it speeds up the process not only for you but for anybody behind you in line.”
But allowances are made for the ID-free, she said, “because we have to put something in place for people who are on a trip and lose their ID.”
That said, the agency’s specific policy remains officially secret.
Even without an ID, McCauley said, such passengers should not pose an extra security threat. Their names are still cross-checked against the federal no-fly list of potential terrorists. Their baggage, like every other passenger’s, is electronically screened, and the travelers are searched more thoroughly than most people with identification.
The ID-free baggage check — determined by TSA rules — is possible. It takes longer, and luggage tags will be marked “No ID.” But airlines move the process along.
The process just hasn’t always been consistent. When John Gilmore, the millionaire founder of Sun Microsystems, tried to board a flight in 2002 without ID, he was denied. He sued the government, asking for the details of its boarding policy. He ultimately failed.
But responses like the one sent by TSA to Mocek expose bits of it at a time.
“There should be accurate notice from the government about rules that apply to citizens, and the notice that you need ID doesn’t seem accurate,” said Peter Swire, a law professor at Ohio State University and the chief counselor for privacy during the Clinton administration.
KCI spokesman Joe McBride said the ID requirement was a federal mandate that superseded the airport’s authority. But he acknowledged that sometimes there might be extenuating circumstances requiring screeners to be flexible.
KCI is one of only a handful of U.S. airports whose screeners are employed by a private company. Most airport screeners are employed by the TSA. The screeners at KCI work for a company called First Line but still operate under national guidelines.
KCI has had a private screening work force since 2002 and sought that designation because of its unusual terminal layout, which requires more than a dozen checkpoints. Screeners at the airport declined to comment for this article.
Regular announcements and signs posted at the airport insist travelers need ID. Inside Terminal A on a recent day, no one appeared resistant. Screeners spent a few seconds examining each ID — first looking to make sure the face on the ID matched that of the person in front of them and then scanning the ID with a special flashlight to ensure validity.
Two area travelers, Katherine Neet and Nelly Fritz, politely gave their IDs to a screener before going through the metal detector. For them and others, flashing a photo ID and boarding pass to an airport screener in the post-Sept. 11 world seemed both routine and necessary.
“I would rather show my ID than have them touch me all over my body,” said Neet.
Fritz agreed.
“It makes it safer for us to travel,” she said.
Other travelers said they have never witnessed anyone refusing to show ID to a screener.
Traveling through Kansas City on business, Jerry Combs of Kentucky said, “I can’t believe anybody would refuse to show their ID.”
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http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/567590.html

Interesting article, but if this catches on, the lines just might get longer. I don't see it happening, but still...
 
I don't understand people who think their private rights are applicable in the public realm. In most states you are required by law to have some form of identification on you at all times, over a particular age - driver's license, school ID, or other government identification - so I don't see why it would/should be an issue. A law officer may ask to see identification and if you refuse, you can be brought in. It's as simple as that. It should follow that in order to assure you are the person on the plane that you say you are, you should be able to prove it.

If the airline asks for it and you refuse, they can keep you from boarding. Private firms aren't subject to the same scrutiny as the government, fortunately.
 
I've always found it strange that I could swap my boarding pass with another person, and board a plane under their name. It's weird to think you can go through security and boarding an airplane without proving your identity...
 
How do people even forget or leave their IDs? Its going to be in your wallet or purse.
 
I don't understand people who think their private rights are applicable in the public realm. In most states you are required by law to have some form of identification on you at all times, over a particular age - driver's license, school ID, or other government identification - so I don't see why it would/should be an issue. A law officer may ask to see identification and if you refuse, you can be brought in. It's as simple as that. It should follow that in order to assure you are the person on the plane that you say you are, you should be able to prove it.

If the airline asks for it and you refuse, they can keep you from boarding. Private firms aren't subject to the same scrutiny as the government, fortunately.


I checked Texas law (where I live) and yes, "failure to identify" is a crime (misdemeanor). The law doesn't say anything about being required to carry an identification card, just that you're required to identify yourself to a police officer when requested (tell him your name), and the officer needs a legitimate reason to ask. I'm not a lawyer or anything, and maybe the laws in other states are different, but I would disagree with the notion that your rights go out the window just because you're in the 'public realm'.
 
I don't understand people who think their private rights are applicable in the public realm. In most states you are required by law to have some form of identification on you at all times, over a particular age - driver's license, school ID, or other government identification - so I don't see why it would/should be an issue. A law officer may ask to see identification and if you refuse, you can be brought in. It's as simple as that. It should follow that in order to assure you are the person on the plane that you say you are, you should be able to prove it.

If the airline asks for it and you refuse, they can keep you from boarding. Private firms aren't subject to the same scrutiny as the government, fortunately.


I've never liked the idea that we must always carry identification to tell who we are constantly.

Always makes me feel like I'm in some WWII movie, and a German SS guy is walking up to me (*in my best German accent*) "Papers, please."
 
I checked Texas law (where I live) and yes, "failure to identify" is a crime (misdemeanor). The law doesn't say anything about being required to carry an identification card, just that you're required to identify yourself to a police officer when requested (tell him your name), and the officer needs a legitimate reason to ask. I'm not a lawyer or anything, and maybe the laws in other states are different, but I would disagree with the notion that your rights go out the window just because you're in the 'public realm'.

Damn skippy! In Texas you're required to give the officer a name and he's allowed to perform a Terry stop (a cursory pat-down to establish you do not pose an immediate threat, and if they later find out you supplied a false name that's lying to an officer).

Of course, if you're operating a motor vehicle you still have to carry a license, or are in a bar you have to show proof of age.
 
Papers, please!

if this catches on, the lines just might get longer.

In the short-run at least, it's not likely to lengthen lines at security. Those of us who fly without voluntarily identifying ourselves to our government (which would in effect be asking them for permission to travel) usually get diverted to a separate line with the other selectees.

Of course, the tables would turn if everyone opted for the more thorough screening procedure, resulting in the TSA having to check all carry-on bags for explosives.

If by chance the lines do get longer, know that it will come with a real increase in security. Some of us are thoroughly screened - walk-through magnetometer, carry-ons x-rayed, hand-wand with a metal detector, pat-down, and swabbing of carry-ons for explosive residue testing. Others flash any one of 50+ different IDs, of which fakes can be obtained by most 19-year-old college students and surely by even a moderately-well-funded criminal, and as a result, slip through with only an abbreviated screening.

Showing ID makes some people feel safer, but it doesn't add any real security, and it's generally a bad idea. Personally, when government agents ask to see my papers or search me, it makes me feel less safe. It makes me feel a bit like I'm living in a totalitarian state.
 
ID required just to walk around? Airline ID requirements

I don't understand people who think their private rights are applicable in the public realm.

In the United States, we don't give up our rights when we step outside our homes.

In most states you are required by law to have some form of identification on you at all times, over a particular age [...] A law officer may ask to see identification and if you refuse, you can be brought in.

I'm not aware of that being the case anywhere in the U.S. Could you please cite some specific examples?

See also: Flex Your Rights Foundation: FAQ: "When do I have to show ID?"

It should follow that in order to assure you are the person on the plane that you say you are, you should be able to prove it.

As far as safety is concerned, it doesn't really matter if a passenger is who he told government agents or even the airline that he is, as long as he's not carrying anything dangerous.

If the airline asks for [your ID] and you refuse [to provide it], they can keep you from boarding.

It looks like I'm surrounded by air travel experts, here. Can someone confirm this? I always thought that if I have a valid ticket, the commercial airline was required to carry me to my destination.

I've always found it strange that I could swap my boarding pass with another person, and board a plane under their name.

The airlines, who would rather resell that other person's unused seat, don't find it so strange.

[The idea of us always needing to carry identification and present it upon demand] always makes me feel like I'm in some WWII movie, and a German SS guy is walking up to me (*in my best German accent*) "Papers, please."

Exactly.
 
Personally, when government agents ask to see my papers or search me, it makes me feel less safe. It makes me feel a bit like I'm living in a totalitarian state.

I've never liked the idea that we must always carry identification to tell who we are constantly.

Always makes me feel like I'm in some WWII movie, and a German SS guy is walking up to me (*in my best German accent*) "Papers, please."

:yeahthat: I agree (Of course, I always bring my ID with me to the airport, and show it to anyone who asks for it!)
 
I figure it's like this. Do what you want with the TSA, but if you see a uniformed crew member waiting behind you, kindly step aside, let him by and then resume the "I don't need an ID speech".

Brother gots to get to work! ;)
 
You do not have a constitutionally protected right to fly, so if they say that they want you to show an ID to do so, it's just fine.

I don't have a problem with showing an ID in order to get on a plane. Yes, I think it's stupid because anyone can get a fake ID. But that's what the rules are, so I deal.

Besides, if showing IDs before we get on planes prevents Denny Green style rants.

"They are who we thought they were!"
 
You do not have a constitutionally protected right to fly, so if they say that they want you to show an ID to do so, it's just fine.

I don't have a problem with showing an ID in order to get on a plane. Yes, I think it's stupid because anyone can get a fake ID. But that's what the rules are, so I deal.

Besides, if showing IDs before we get on planes prevents Denny Green style rants.

"They are who we thought they were!"
Here, let me help....


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With all the hype about air safety I hardly see why this is a big deal. The idea is to make sure that the person on the plane actually has the name that the ticket was booked under (no fly lists, ect).

I'll add that in Canada Photo ID is REQUIRED by transport canada at the gate as you board the plane.

Just some people that try to make life difficult for others trying to make a point.
 
With all the hype about air safety I hardly see why this is a big deal. The idea is to make sure that the person on the plane actually has the name that the ticket was booked under (no fly lists, ect).

I'll add that in Canada Photo ID is REQUIRED by transport canada at the gate as you board the plane.

Just some people that try to make life difficult for others trying to make a point.


Yeah, those no-fly lists work great! :sarcasm: They're why Catherine Stevens, wife of Senator Ted Stevens, has trouble boarding a flight almost every time with her real, honest government-issued photo ID because she has the same name as the that singer dude Cat Stevens.

The system sucks, and as long as my livelihood isn't affected by it, I choose not to play.
 
Re: ID required just to walk around? Airline ID requirement

It looks like I'm surrounded by air travel experts, here. Can someone confirm this? I always thought that if I have a valid ticket, the commercial airline was required to carry me to my destination.

I believe many (if not all) airline have verbiage to this effect in their Contract of Carriage. For example, this clause is found in Contenental's Contract of Carriage under "Refusal to Transport":

Continential Airlines Contract of Carriage said:
E) Proof of Identity – Whenever a Passenger refuses on request to produce identification satisfactory to CO or who
presents a Ticket to board and whose identification does not match the name on the Ticket. CO will require identification of persons purchasing Tickets and/or presenting a Ticket(s) for the purpose of boarding the aircraft.

Similar verbiage is found in United's:

United's CoC said:
PROOF OF IDENTITY -
C) PROOF OF IDENTITY--WHO REFUSES ON REQUEST TO PRODUCE
IDENTIFICATION WHICH REFLECTS THE SAME FULL NAME INFORMATION DISPLAYED
ON THE TICKETS(S).
NOTE: UA SHALL HAVE THE RIGHT, BUT SHALL NOT BE OBLIGATED, TO REQUIRE
IDENTIFICATION OF PERSONS PURCHASING TICKETS AND/OR PRESENTING A
TICKET(S) FOR THE PURPOSE OF BOARDING THE AIRCRAFT.

For better or worse, they apparently want to know who's traveling on their airplanes.
 
not slowing down the line

Do what you want with the TSA, but if you see a uniformed crew member waiting behind you, kindly step aside, let him by and then resume the "I don't need an ID speech".

Doug, I understand your concern and appreciate your diplomatic attitude. Many people fly off the handle at the mere suggestion that they delayed down as a result of my standing up for our rights.

In fact, here's how it usually goes: I wait in the same line as everyone else. At the head of the line, when the document checker learns that I have no ID to show him or her, I am diverted into a separate line -- the one for people who get searched thoroughly.

So for now, at least, those of us who opt to be thoroughly searched in exchange for travelling without first checking in with the government (as well as those people who lost or forgot their IDs) actually shorten the wait for everyone else ("everyone else" being the people who prefer to flash an ID and avoid being screened for explosives, patted down, etc.) Of course I understand that things would be different if we had to thoroughly screen everyone, but we'll cross that bridge if we come to it.
 
right to travel

You do not have a constitutionally protected right to fly

True, but we do have the right to travel and associate without being being monitored or stopped by our government. And if we allow such monitoring and stopping for air travel, it's reasonable to think that we'd soon allow it for other modes of travel. If we did so for trains and for buses, then someday, we erected highway road blocks at state borders and required people to check in with the federal government there before crossing the border, would you say that people should not complain because they are free to travel cross-country on foot?

We have to think long-range. Once we give up a right it is very difficult to re-gain it.

I think [showing ID in order to get on a plane is] stupid because anyone can get a fake ID. But that's what the rules are, so I deal.

Tony, obviously you're free to pick your battles. But remember that our system is one of government of the people, for the people, by the people. Bad rules should be changed, and I'm grateful for those who try to change the bad rules that I haven't the time or inclination to address.
 
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