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[whysoserial]

I responded because I READ what the question was that was being asked. So, no, I would not have responded if I scored less than a 100 because then the question would not have been directed towards myself and others that scored 100's. Evidentially, following directions and/or questions is not your strong suit. Maybe you did not score as well on the AT SAT because you did not pay attention to what was being asked, but I don't know you at all to make that assumption though it appears that way...

The score isn't just 'bragging rights.' A 100 and a 85 are not anywhere near the same in comparing scores. The FAA knows this and they are not going to hire someone with the lower score(85) over someone with a higher score(100) if they have the same qualifications. It is too big of a risk for the FAA to spend the money on most people that score below a certain score...and that score bar is not 85. The FAA will look at people with higher AT SAT scores before people with lower scores. Names of 'well qualified' people aren't just drawn out of a hat and called in for an interview.

Why wouldn't I be able to hear within the next month? I have all the necessary qualifications and scored well on the AT SAT as have many others on this site and others like it. If you have some insight into scoring a 100 and have waited for a long time to get a PEPC date, interview, and job offer, please fill us all in so we will be as enlightened as you! If you didn't score a 100, don't assume the rest of us will be pulled along at 'a snail's pace.'

Hopefully, others, like Mr. Fent, get employment with the FAA over people, like yourself, that DON'T READ THE QUESTION THAT WAS BEING ASKED. Mr. Fent knew why I was responding to the question because of WHAT the question was asking. Pay attention and maybe you will be on the 'right page' with everyone else that understood and read the question.

You are mistaken.

Selector people don't see scores, just qualified or well qualified. I posted more about this in another post somewhere else on this board but all the topics seem the same these days so I can't direct you.

100% won't get you moving faster than a 92%. If 85 is not the cut off as you say, what is it? Please do tell.

Fact. I got an 88%. Application to OKC was 10 months (non pepc). People with higher scores are still waiting for a class date.

When you get to OKC, be sure to tell all this to the person in your class with a below 85%.

 

[Beehive]

The ATSAT measures the ability to learn ATC not work ATC.
The applicant rating process is automated up to the facility selection panel and a great background gives you a better chance of getting selected along with a high ATSAT score.
It would be great if the FAA speed up the hiring process but the snail pace is not due to a log jam of applicants who scored 100 on the ATSAT.
There is only so many classes for trainees in OKC and they continue to fill up quick. I interviewed last month and if all goes well with my med test, i'm looking at a August OKC class date at the soonest and for every two or three weeks that go by it seems that class date gets pushed back another month. I don't see OKC pushing back a applicants class date who scored a 70 and is going to a under staffed facilty for a applicant who scored 100 and is going to a staffed facility nor the other way around.
If you say jump, don't expect the FAA to say how high.

 

[Beehive]

Fact. I got an 88%. Application to OKC was 10 months (non pepc). People with higher scores are still waiting for a class date.

Living proof. I applied 10 months ago too, got a 98 and i'm still waiting for a OKC date let alone medical and security.
I don't post my ATSAT score in my signature because it don't mean jack. I have the ability to learn ATC...whoopi!

 

[wve_iii]

Man I didnt mean to stir up a #### storm with my question. lol. I was just trying to get an idea about how they are hiring people. I have also read in multiple places on here and in FAA doc's stating the "well qualified" score ranges but I still think that they can see the score in the selection panel. And with regards to the "100's" I was just wondering if anyone did happen to get a perfect score and not get an offer, I was simply curious.
I do know however that this is just a test that is an indicator of how you may perform on the job, but it is no more an indicator than most other tests are such as the SAT, MCATS, ACT, etc. In all these exams people who score in the top 15% are all going to be similiar but that doesnt stop schools from saying these 2 candidates are equally qualified but he scored higher so lets pick him. So I do think that your raw score can still have an impact, but we honestly will never know until a selection official decides to post on the boards and give us a little insight on how exactly things are done at the selection comittees.

 

[RobertB]

Damn you seem to know more about the FAA's hiring qualifications than even they do! I can't wait for my red carpet hiring because of my 100!

You aren't going to get a 'red carpet' for hiring, but you will be looked at before someone with the same qualifications that scored a 85. Don't be a dick, it makes since if you think about it. The FAA isn't stupid... If 10% of the people from the public section from February 2008 made 100's, then that would be roughly 450 people trying for roughly 150-160 spots. The AT SAT means a good deal because the selection panel is still going to see your score when reviewing your application. For instance, when my dad became an air traffic controller in the Southern Region, you had to make ATLEAST a 90 to even be considered for the region. I know the test is different now, but do you really think the FAA is going to lower its standards to accept more people into the FAA Academy? Hell no, if anything, they are going to RAISE the standards based on your qualifications and your AT SAT score because of the large number of people accepted that had previous air traffic experience or went to a CTI school. So, a person with a 100 is going to be looked at before some that scored a 85.

 

[RobertB]

Living proof. I applied 10 months ago too, got a 98 and i'm still waiting for a OKC date let alone medical and security.
I don't post my ATSAT score in my signature because it don't mean jack. I have the ability to learn ATC...whoopi!

It depends on your regional preference, qualifications, and AT SAT score. If two people have the same regional preference, qualifications, and different AT SAT scores (100 v 85), who is going to get looked at first? The person that shows a greater ability to learn how to become an air traffic controller...If you applied to Montana or the like and you scored a 87, you probably will get into the academy first because of the lack of competition from others trying to get into that region. If you score a 87 and are trying to get into the New York area, you are going to be waiting a while because of your lower AT SAT score and because you probably didn't meet the minimum score accepted for that region.

 

[whysoserial]

You aren't going to get a 'red carpet' for hiring, but you will be looked at before someone with the same qualifications that scored a 85. Don't be a dick, it makes since if you think about it. The FAA isn't stupid... If 10% of the people from the public section from February 2008 made 100's, then that would be roughly 450 people trying for roughly 150-160 spots. The AT SAT means a good deal because the selection panel is still going to see your score when reviewing your application. For instance, when my dad became an air traffic controller in the Southern Region, you had to make ATLEAST a 90 to even be considered for the region. I know the test is different now, but do you really think the FAA is going to lower its standards to accept more people into the FAA Academy? Hell no, if anything, they are going to RAISE the standards based on your qualifications and your AT SAT score because of the large number of people accepted that had previous air traffic experience or went to a CTI school. So, a person with a 100 is going to be looked at before some that scored a 85.

Rubbish in so many ways.

You still haven't answered the questions on where this fiction is coming from.

Remove the blinders dude.

 

[RobertB]

Just curious where you are getting your information? Everything I have read and heard is that in the past an 85 was considered "well qualified" just like a 100 is considered "well qualified". I know it might not make sense but there are quite a few things that the FAA does that do not make sense. Also, OKC has told numerous people who applied at the same time as you that they wont even start sending geographic preference emails until all eligible applicants have finished the AT-SAT and they wont finish testing until 4/30.

Good luck with everything, and hopefully it does goes fast, but could you please enlighten the rest of us with your evidence or where you are getting information? I am not trying to be hostile, but what you are saying seems to go against much of what the FAA has been doing over the past year with OTS hiring.

Search for FAA articles on their website and you will find any information you want. The FAA does make sense. Everything you do will with the FAA will make sense. The FAA already divides potential hirees into categories based on the geographic preferences you should have selected when you applied for the position. You were allowed to select up to 10 geographic preferences.
Yeah, the FAA will probably send you a geographic preference e-mail based on what you submitted when you applied for the air traffic position to inform you of openings in the regions you applied for. Like I said before, if you scored a 85 and are trying to get into Georgia, New York, California, etc you probably won't hear back from the FAA until other more well qualified people were contacted about those openings.

 

[RobertB]

Rubbish in so many ways.

You still haven't answered the questions on where this fiction is coming from.

Remove the blinders dude.

How is this rubbish? Do you really think the FAA is going to take someone with a score of 85 over a person with a 100 if they are applying to the same region, have the same qualifications, etc?
Look and search yourself for the information on the FAA website. The site even has the types of potential hirees that can be interviewed and the types of questions an interviewer can and cannot ask. You don't need someone to hold your hand and find the information for you when you are easily capable of finding all of this out for yourself.
I have no blinders on. I see and hear all man. Don't be dumb and think that the FAA isn't dividing up the 'well qualified' group more than just that. There were and are going to be different levels of candidates in the 'well qualified' group.

 

[RobertB]

Man I didnt mean to stir up a #### storm with my question. lol. I was just trying to get an idea about how they are hiring people. I have also read in multiple places on here and in FAA doc's stating the "well qualified" score ranges but I still think that they can see the score in the selection panel. And with regards to the "100's" I was just wondering if anyone did happen to get a perfect score and not get an offer, I was simply curious.
I do know however that this is just a test that is an indicator of how you may perform on the job, but it is no more an indicator than most other tests are such as the SAT, MCATS, ACT, etc. In all these exams people who score in the top 15% are all going to be similiar but that doesnt stop schools from saying these 2 candidates are equally qualified but he scored higher so lets pick him. So I do think that your raw score can still have an impact, but we honestly will never know until a selection official decides to post on the boards and give us a little insight on how exactly things are done at the selection comittees.

wve iii,
You are well more informed and intelligent than many people posting on this board. You are right, the selection committee may or not be able to see your score, but you will be asked for an interview based on your qualifications and AT SAT score. If you score a 100, you will be asked in for an interview because you show a unique ability and comprehension to learn air traffic. It may take a little while based on the region you applied to. For instance, if 75 people who scored 100's applied to Georgia for only 60 available spots in 2008, you may have to wait longer because of everyone having the same scores and qualifications applying for that region. Unless something comes back on your personality section of the test, you will be asked in for an interview, but it may take a little longer than it should because of the region you applied to. But a 100 is going to get you through the selection process faster than someone who scored a 85 with the same qualifications and applying to the same region.

 

[whysoserial]

Are even reading what you are writing?

So the people in my class right now who scored less than 85% got lucky? My 88% for California took 10 months. People on the same time line as myself for California with high 90%'s haven't even seen OKC yet. I'm almost out of here. I can back up my info, you can't, you are stating opinion. I have been interviewed (obviously)...what does that have to do with anything? You hear and see all from what? Who?

Have you interacted with the people developing the ATSAT? Probably not since you are just reading data from the internets...oh wait...it must be true. Silly me.

There's living proof out there like Beehive said...can't ignore that.

Don't tell people they are screwed if they scored low on the ATSAT...that's what you are essentially doing. Everyone's in the same boat.

 

[RobertB]

Are even reading what you are writing?

So the people in my class right now who scored less than 85% got lucky? My 88% for California took 10 months. People on the same time line as myself for California with high 90%'s haven't even seen OKC yet. I'm almost out of here. I can back up my info, you can't, you are stating opinion. I have been interviewed (obviously)...what does that have to do with anything? You hear and see all from what? Who?

Have you interacted with the people developing the ATSAT? Probably not since you are just reading data from the internets...oh wait...it must be true. Silly me.

There's living proof out there like Beehive said...can't ignore that.

Don't tell people they are screwed if they scored low on the ATSAT...that's what you are essentially doing. Everyone's in the same boat.

I am reading what I am writing because I am the one writing it. Every person and case is different. You and others can't be serious when you actually think that someone scoring a 85 with the same qualifications and regional preferences as someone with a 100 is going to have an equal opportunity and be 'pushed' through the selection process at the same speed because they both are considered 'well qualified.'

I am pretty sure if the information was released by the FAA it would be true... If you scored a 100 instead of a 88 it may have taken you less time than 10 months to interview and get into the academy.

I am not telling people that they are 'screwed' if they scored low on the AT SAT, but they are if they are applying to a higher air traffic area if there are others out there applying to the same area with the same qualifications and a higher AT SAT score. You can't have a 85 on the AT SAT, zero air traffic experience, and expect to get an offer to, for example, the Atlanta TRACON in Peachtree City.

The FAA is going to work you into the selection process based on your qualifications and the geographic preference. If you applied to Nebraska and scored a 85, you probably will get into the academy with that score since no one is really applying to that area. The FAA isn't going to move you far away from your geographic preferences because they don't want you to quit and drop out of the FAA after they spend close to $100K to train and educate you.

 

[whysoserial]

I am reading what I am writing because I am the one writing it. Every person and case is different. You and others can't be serious when you actually think that someone scoring a 85 with the same qualifications and regional preferences as someone with a 100 is going to have an equal opportunity and be 'pushed' through the selection process at the same speed because they both are considered 'well qualified.'

I am pretty sure if the information was released by the FAA it would be true... If you scored a 100 instead of a 88 it may have taken you less time than 10 months to interview and get into the academy.

I am not telling people that they are 'screwed' if they scored low on the AT SAT, but they are if they are applying to a higher air traffic area if there are others out there applying to the same area with the same qualifications and a higher AT SAT score. You can't have a 85 on the AT SAT, zero air traffic experience, and expect to get an offer to, for example, the Atlanta TRACON in Peachtree City.

The FAA is going to work you into the selection process based on your qualifications and the geographic preference. If you applied to Nebraska and scored a 85, you probably will get into the academy with that score since no one is really applying to that area. The FAA isn't going to move you far away from your geographic preferences because they don't want you to quit and drop out of the FAA after they spend close to $100K to train and educate you.

Finally a fact. Every case is different. Thank you.

Everything else you wrote has been proven to be not true.

I know someone who got a 77%...where is he? ZSE. 81%, where is he? ZID. 84%? Socal. You can't say every case is different and then claim someone won't get selected to a higher facility based on ATSAT score...it doesn't matter...you are wrong.

They won't send you to a far away location? You should come to each class or facility and say that...be prepared to get berated. Everyday you will hear a heartbreaking story of what you just described doesn't happen.

You have no idea.

 

[RobertB]

Finally a fact. Every case is different. Thank you.

Everything else you wrote has been proven to be not true.

I know someone who got a 77%...where is he? ZSE. 81%, where is he? ZID. 84%? Socal. You can't say every case is different and then claim someone won't get selected to a higher facility based on ATSAT score...it doesn't matter...you are wrong.

They won't send you to a far away location? You should come to each class or facility and say that...be prepared to get berated. Everyday you will hear a heartbreaking story of what you just described doesn't happen.

You have no idea.

How is everything else I have written untrue? It is true because it came from the FAA website. Your AT SAT score determines where you are in line, in a geographic region, with the same qualifications as others applying during the same opening time period.

ZSE and ZID are no way near the TRACONs in Atlanta, New York, Boston, Washington D.C. in terms of air traffic and intensity from air traffic. I am sure that a person with a 77% or a 81% on the AT SAT, with no air traffic experience would be laughed out the door if they tried to apply to one of these larger TRACONS.

I am for going anywhere in the country for a post, but they aren't going to move you away from your geographic preferences unless there is a severe need in that region. The dropout rate for controllers living outside of one of there preference areas is very much higher than the dropout rate of one living in one of their preferred areas. You put in up to 10 preferences and I am sure easily 90+% of people end up in one of their preferred states.

I believe I have a good idea since I know people that have gone through the FAA Academy and still work for the FAA. Certain regions have higher standards and your AT SAT factors into whether you meet those standards or not.

 

[whysoserial]

I am sure that a person with a 77% or a 81% on the AT SAT, with no air traffic experience would be laughed out the door if they tried to apply to one of these larger TRACONS.

This makes me laugh, because we all know ATSAT score is what makes a good controller Socal isn't a large tracon? Oh wait, you must have left that part out because I compared Socal to a 84%...that extra 3% means they are better at working real planes right?

Sigh.

Mixing half truths with lies spoken as facts is frustrating. You got it all figured out so with that, I'm not wasting anymore time on you. You're the only one going against the grain. Good luck with that.

Peace!

 

[GlideSlope]

RobertB, What are your qualifications if you don't mind me asking?

 

[RobertB]

RobertB, What are your qualifications if you don't mind me asking?

I don't mind answering your question at all man.

My qualifications for an air traffic position:
-Four year college degree being completed within the next six months from Georgia State University.
-No aviation experience.
-Scored a 100 on the AT SAT.
-Porgressively more responsible work experience for the last five years.

My dad works for the FAA out of Atlanta so most of the information I receive is from him or doing my own research...

 

[Vortmax]

I responded because I READ what the question was that was being asked. So, no, I would not have responded if I scored less than a 100 because then the question would not have been directed towards myself and others that scored 100's. Evidentially, following directions and/or questions is not your strong suit. Maybe you did not score as well on the AT SAT because you did not pay attention to what was being asked, but I don't know you at all to make that assumption though it appears that way...

The score isn't just 'bragging rights.' A 100 and a 85 are not anywhere near the same in comparing scores. The FAA knows this and they are not going to hire someone with the lower score(85) over someone with a higher score(100) if they have the same qualifications. It is too big of a risk for the FAA to spend the money on most people that score below a certain score...and that score bar is not 85. The FAA will look at people with higher AT SAT scores before people with lower scores. Names of 'well qualified' people aren't just drawn out of a hat and called in for an interview.

Why wouldn't I be able to hear within the next month? I have all the necessary qualifications and scored well on the AT SAT as have many others on this site and others like it. If you have some insight into scoring a 100 and have waited for a long time to get a PEPC date, interview, and job offer, please fill us all in so we will be as enlightened as you! If you didn't score a 100, don't assume the rest of us will be pulled along at 'a snail's pace.'

Hopefully, others, like Mr. Fent, get employment with the FAA over people, like yourself, that DON'T READ THE QUESTION THAT WAS BEING ASKED. Mr. Fent knew why I was responding to the question because of WHAT the question was asking. Pay attention and maybe you will be on the 'right page' with everyone else that understood and read the question.

Alright Dude-First of all, let me say that I did not read the entire post and I admit my fault. It seemed like a peculiar response and I was quick to label arrogance.

That said, you will NOT be PREFERENTIALLY sped through the system like a wonder child and offered a position next week!!!! I PROMISE!!

Don't start disrespecting me and saying you hope others are chosen over me-that is a little uncalled for. I am "Well Qualified." I scored mid 90's AT-SAT and have a PPL and Airline Dispatch License, and I'm a Meteorologist. BUT, I'm humble enough to know that this job will be TOUGH. And I won't be one of the little bastard know it-all trainees that the experienced controllers training us will want to kill-I keep it real!!

Let me know when you are hired "within the month" and I'll eat my words. I'm not being pulled along at snails pace because Im so much less than you.

 

[ATC RET 2003]

My daughter is scheduled to take the AT-SAT...

:drool: Uhhh...Anyone else completely SHOCKED by this.. ATL- are you sure you are feeling ok? You are letting your daughter become an ATCS??

My dad works for the FAA out of Atlanta ...

Say... does anyone else think it might be possible that...


maybe...






Naaaa... nevermind.

 

[RobertB]

Say... does anyone else think it might be possible that...


maybe...






Naaaa... nevermind.

I like the connection of the dots there and it is rather funny, but unfortunately not dots you can connect.