Logging time

dahhcon

dahhcon

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My friend has an Extra 300 and is taking me flying sometime. Am I able to log that time as PIC for the duration of the time I get to fly? or the whole flight?

Would this apply to any aircraft when flying with someone and I fly for a bit? I can log that as PIC too?
 
If you are certified category, class, type (if necessary) and any additional endorsements to operate the airplen : in your case high performance, than yes, you can legally log the time.

Bring a camera and post your flight on here! Sounds like fun!
 
Regardless of what the regs may allow you to do, you are not the pilot-in-command of that flight. Do not log it as such. If your friend is certificated as an instructor, then perhaps you can log it as dual received.
 
skydog said:
Regardless of what the regs may allow you to do, you are not the pilot-in-command of that flight. Do not log it as such. If your friend is certificated as an instructor, then perhaps you can log it as dual received.
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Well that all depends on what you are logging it for. If you are planning on applying that PIC time toward a certificate or rating under part 61, in which part 61 requires you to have that time, and allows you to log that time even though you are not the acting PIC of the flight, it would be ridiculous for you to not log it. If an airline asks you how much PIC time you have on an application, don't count that time where you were not acting PIC. But if the regs allow you to log it toward a certificate or rating you are working on, or may work on in the future, log it.
 
skydog said:
Regardless of what the regs may allow you to do, you are not [acting as] the pilot-in-command of that flight. [In my opinion, you should] not log it as such. If your friend is certificated as an instructor, then perhaps you can log it as dual received.
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Fixed it for you! ;)
 
skydog said:
Regardless of what the regs may allow you to do, you are not the pilot-in-command of that flight. Do not log it as such. If your friend is certificated as an instructor, then perhaps you can log it as dual received.
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So you are saying disregard 61.51, which specifically tells you that you may log it as PIC, and not log it? Makes sense....:rolleyes:
 
mojo6911 said:
So you are saying disregard 61.51, which specifically tells you that you may log it as PIC, and not log it? Makes sense....:rolleyes:
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Well, yeah. It does make sense depending on who you are. Flyguy covered the reasons pretty well.

I'll tend not to log any time I wasn't acting as the PIC because I don't need the PIC time for a certificate or rating. That sort of PIC time (where I wasn't acting as the PIC) isn't worth anything to me anymore.

For the guys still in training, in my opinion they should log it.
 
Log what you want, but be very careful if you plan on using it to bolster "experience".

I got some 727 time before I was a Delta pilot but like hell that was going in my logbook! ;)
 
So what is the correct answer? I was going to log it just to say I flew an extra. But is that ok?, even though I have my high performance and tailwheel?
 
skydog said:
Regardless of what the regs may allow you to do, you are not the pilot-in-command of that flight. Do not log it as such. If your friend is certificated as an instructor, then perhaps you can log it as dual received.
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My standard question to this kind of response:

Are you willing to reimburse a pilot for all the extra hours of flight time she has to pay for to get her instrument rating and commercial certificates that she wouldn't have to pay for if she followed the FAA's rules instead of yours?
 
dahhcon said:
So what is the correct answer? I was going to log it just to say I flew an extra. But is that ok?, even though I have my high performance and tailwheel?
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I guess what it comes down to is, you can't both log the time unless one of the following:

1. Your friend is a CFI, and since you are rated in the aircraft you can log it as both PIC and dual recieved.

2. One of you is under the hood and the other is a safety pilot. I really doubt you'd be doing that in an extra 300.

If neither of the above is the case, only one of you can log the time. Decide beforehand, who will be flying, who will be PIC, and therefore who will be logging the time.
 
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