Splitting a flight review in half...legal?

[The Gardener]

I don't understand, how could something be "completely legal to do" and cost you your career?

What I was getting at is that if he goes off gets this job, and then messes up the Feds are going to come knocking. I am just not willing to risk that for one hour of pay.

That being said I really don't do flight reviews unless it is a former student or somebody I know. I seem to always get the guy who is a self proclaimed 'proficient pilot' then they are a complete mess and don't want to do the extra work.

 

[MikeOH58]

I don't understand, how could something be "completely legal to do" and cost you your career?

Just because you are technically legal, is it smart to file IFR and fly hard IMC on the last day of currency?

Another one...You haven't flown in the past 24 months, but you have access to say a Bonanza, which you have never flown before, but what the heck...You have a HP endorsement, you meet category and class requirements and you still have 2 or 3 days till the end of the month and the expiration of your flight review.

Now if you were to go ahead and fly in this two scenario's, you would not be breaking a single FAR...However if you end up in an accident, whether your flight was legal or not, you can bet your arse the FAA is going to question whether you used good, or should I say any judgement at all. Fair game for suspension/revoke if you ask me.

 

[The Gardener]

Yeah, what MikeOh just said. Thanks!

Those examples fit into the 'Just because you can, doesn't mean you should category!' Also, if you are going to fly the Bonanza after 23 months off, you ought to just go ahead and do it at night in 3 miles of visibility. Heck, just go special VFR!

 

[minitour]

There you go. FAA inspectors are notorious for making up their own rules.

...


That's not "interpretation." That's adding stuff that isn't there.

If you only knew.

This is from the same POI that tried telling me that if I had a student (even if it wasn't my student and I had never signed their logbook) at my school that violated airspace or a reg, the student and I would both be violated...because I was the Chief Flight Instructor.

...and according to him, if I was approved as Chief Pilot for our 135 application (we pulled our PASI when we found out he'd be our POI) if one of the pilots busted airspace or a reg, the pilot, the certificate and myself would be violated. ...because I would be the Chief Pilot.

He was full of good ones.

Thanks for clearin' it up!


-mini

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

Just because you are technically legal, is it smart to file IFR and fly hard IMC on the last day of currency?

So how does that apply to the supposed "career danger" that's associated with a split flight review?

 

[The Gardener]

So how does that apply to the supposed "career danger" that's associated with a split flight review?

Doing half a flight review may or may not be a risk. As an instructor yourself you are probably well aware of the liability you take any time you sign a flight review. If the pilot in question makes a mistake in the next 24 months the FAA will at least be giving you a call if nothing else. If they determine you were negligent you could face corrective action (suspension, 709 etc). This is certainly a worst case scenario but for me it isn't worth saving a guy $50 on an hour of ground. Hearing that he scheduled some time to do a FR and/or IFR recurency i don't see any problem. seems like he is willing to go the extra distance and I wouldn't have a problem putting him on my schedule.

 

[MikeOH58]

So how does that apply to the supposed "career danger" that's associated with a split flight review?

I was responding to old Pete <<
Originally Posted by Old Pete
I don't understand, how could something be "completely legal to do" and cost you your career???

and poor ADM and judgement fits the bill for having your ticket suspended.

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

Doing half a flight review may or may not be a risk. As an instructor yourself you are probably well aware of the liability you take any time you sign a flight review. If the pilot in question makes a mistake in the next 24 months the FAA will at least be giving you a call if nothing else.

Truthfully, I don't worry about my liability when signing a flight review. My impression is that it's pretty insignificant. I've been asking people for first-hand or otherwise verifiable cases of instructor liability for about 8 years now and haven't had any solid responses involving a flight review.

About the "at least a call," I expect to get that if I gave any instruction, whether or not it resulted in an endorsement. That's part of the process of NTSB normal accident investigation.

And if there were some significant liability associated with the flight review, I still don't see how doing the flight portion alone increases it.

 

[The Gardener]

Truthfully, I don't worry about my liability when signing a flight review. My impression is that it's pretty insignificant. I've been asking people for first-hand or otherwise verifiable cases of instructor liability for about 8 years now and haven't had any solid responses involving a flight review.

About the "at least a call," I expect to get that if I gave any instruction, whether or not it resulted in an endorsement. That's part of the process of NTSB normal accident investigation.

And if there were some significant liability associated with the flight review, I still don't see how doing the flight portion alone increases it.

You are right, the risk is small. Anything I can do to keep the man from calling me the better. The risk/benifit ratio just isn't there for me. Sorry, not interested. If i can pass a flight review on to another instructor and save the headache i am a happy person.

 

[CoffeeIcePapers]

You are right, the risk is small. Anything I can do to keep the man from calling me the better. The risk/benifit ratio just isn't there for me. Sorry, not interested. If i can pass a flight review on to another instructor and save the headache i am a happy person.

You can't control what a person does once you sign them off. They are the PIC. If you provided the training and signed their logbook, your liability ends.

 

[The Gardener]

You can't control what a person does once you sign them off. They are the PIC. If you provided the training and signed their logbook, your liability ends.

Would you sign anybody off after giving the required 1hour flt and 1 hour ground?

If you sign somebody off for a flight review saying they are competent and they go blow through a presidential TFR 1 hour later you really don't think you would be at least questioned by the FAA?

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

You are right, the risk is small. Anything I can do to keep the man from calling me the better. The risk/benifit ratio just isn't there for me. Sorry, not interested. If i can pass a flight review on to another instructor and save the headache i am a happy person.

To each his own. I think that your liability risk is probably significantly higher than giving a flight review every time you step into an airplane with a pilot to give them instruction. I know cases with that scenario; I know none of involving flight reviews.

 

[The Gardener]

To each his own. I think that your liability risk is probably significantly higher than giving a flight review every time you step into an airplane with a pilot to give them instruction. I know cases with that scenario; I know none of involving flight reviews.

Midlife, I see you are around my old neighborhood. I flew at Greeley for 9 months to long! I do miss the mountains!

I think you are saying we have more liability with students that you have flown with more than just once I agree with you 100% there.

I think for everything else, I will have to agree to disagree! there are lots of instructors around my club who just love flight reviews