Time for a new certificate

Seggy

Seggy

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Taken from propilotworld...

The FAA informed all U.S. airlines today, February 15, that ICAO is changing their personnel licensing standards effective March 5, 2008 and will require all pilots who operate internationally to have an airman certificate with a language proficiency endorsement. To satisfy this requirement, the FAA is issuing new airmen certificates with the additional endorsement – English Proficient – to affected pilots upon their request. All pilots with current FAA issued airmen certificates automatically qualify and you only have to request a replacement certificate; make sure you indicate the reason for the replacement is “English Proficiency.”

A replacement certificate can be requested through the FAA website or via U.S. mail; if you have not already established an online account with the FAA we highly recommend that you do. If you wish to mail in your request, send it to –

Federal Aviation Administration
Airmen Certification Branch
AFS-760
P.O. Box 25082
Oklahoma City, OK 73125-0082

The signed request must include your name, date and place of birth, SSN and/or certificate number, reason for replacement (English Proficiency), and your current address. There is a $2 fee for the new certificate.

If you have moved and not updated your address with the FAA, please do so before requesting a new certificate. If you don't, your certificate will go to your old address. This would also be a good time to request a new certificate number if you are still using your SSN.

If you are not planned to fly outside of the U.S., including Canada and Mexico, in the next month, the FAA asks that you hold off on requesting a new certificate until April to allow a quicker turn for those pilots who need the new certificates immediately. They expect all affected pilots to have a new certificate by March 5 and have committed to a 2-week turnaround.
 
This is retarded.

All FAA certificates require applicants to be able to "Read, speak, and understand English."

While ICAO may want to enforce this on other countries... in the US it's totally redundant.

>sigh<
 
I am going to the Bahamas and a few other Carribean countries in the middle of March, Part 91. Does this apply to me? I highly doubt the FAA will be able to get a new license to me in less than a month. I'll pissed if this screws up our plans.

Alex.
 
Sucks that all FAA-licensed pilots automatically qualify, considering there seems to be an ever increasing number who can't speak English worth a damn. I think they should have an unbiased evaluator for anyone who wants this endorsement. Funny how designated examiners don't seem to have a problem understanding these fools when everyone else does ($$$$$$$$$$).

Citationkid said:
I am going to the Bahamas and a few other Carribean countries in the middle of March, Part 91. Does this apply to me? I highly doubt the FAA will be able to get a new license to me in less than a month. I'll pissed if this screws up our plans.

Alex.
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Alex,

I believe it will affect you, but if you go online and jump through the hoops, just print the confirmation page and carry it with you until you get your new certificate. I'm told that is legal.
 
Actually guys, I know this sounds silly at first, but this is absolutely necessary. I used to sit in on a lot of these meetings and this should have gone into effect years ago (which supposedly it was, but all things get delayed). Originally we talked about 1-6 rating and anything below like a 3 required a translator on board. Of the 18 international flag operators i used to work with at JFK and EWR about 3 of them needed one and only one did. It was absolutely embarrassing fielding the phone calls from JFK tower apologizing for the crap that passed the English exams for JAR ops and the CAA of whichever-thehell-country.
 
N2334L:"Fowt Wowth Centah, ceznah two shree shree fow rima"

center: "uhh, aircraft calling fort worth center, say again"

4L: "shree shree fow rima ahhhhh manoooving to the ahhhh north south ahhh north east west ahhhh north west of Kiro Foxtwot tango Whixley, ahhh want code for bravo"

center: "skyhawk calling, squawk VFR, remain clear of the class Bravo, frequency change approved"


I LOVE IT when the controllers basically say "F88k it" and give up. They're usually really good at understanding what they're saying.
 
Native speakers won't need anything but two dollars, agreed. Foreign carriers will have to do it for real. At least that is the hope.

How about at NY center when controllers give some of our select Asian carriers 15-30 seconds leadup on vectors because it is going to take that long to translate the message and repeat.

My favorite that I heard was "XXXX hold short of 4 left."
"We.. uhhh, cross 4 left?"
"No, hold short of 4 left."
"Roger, no hold short."
few seconds later.
"XXXX why are you crossing 4 left! I just told you to hold short"
"You said, no hold short!"
"No, I said 'No, hold short'"
"Right, no hold short."

From what i understand there was a rash of this at JFK for months I just heard one of them.
 
If you are getting a new Certificate soon (say tomorrow morning), will you still need to do this, or should it be included?
 
We at XJT received guidance from the company recently to request a new certificate within the next few days.

I really wish the FAA would have waived the $2.00, since it their fault the certificates weren't ICAO-compliant.

I went ahead and requested the temporary authority letter via e-mail, since I have doubts I'll receive my new certificate by March 5. March 5th is when Mexico is supposedly going to start enforcement of the ICAO requirement. The temporary authority is valid for 60 days from the request, includes the 'English Proficient' endorsement, and arrives almost instantaneously via e-mail as a PDF attachment.

Mike
 
Van_Hoolio said:
I really wish the FAA would have waived the $2.00, since it their fault the certificates weren't ICAO-compliant.
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No crap.

It's a sign of the future. I can see the FAA starting to charge an application fee ($25 - $50) for any new 8710 coming into OKC.

Nevertheless, that language is in the appropriations bill somewhere.
 
How does this make sense. Trans States sent out memos to our pilot group saying that we should request these replacement certs soon...but we (currently) don't fly outside the US...am I missing something here?
 
Got word from our union that they're working with the company to get them to cover the $2 fee for all of our pilots since it's required for the job. Yet another reason to have representation.
 
Seggy said:
Taken from propilotworld...

The FAA informed all U.S. airlines today, February 15, that ICAO is changing their personnel licensing standards effective March 5, 2008 and will require all pilots who operate internationally to have an airman certificate with a language proficiency endorsement. .
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Man, I hope this is a worldwide effort that includes ATC. I don't think some controllers worldwide have any English proficiency...just some scripts of standard phraseology in English. Last week flying in Paris Center we literally had to have the controller repeat the clearance 6 times. Her English was pretty much indecipherable and she had no idea what we were requesting of her. Africa can be pretty bad too.
 
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