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mtsu_av8er said:
So, if all you " . . . need is a good reason" to leave the industry (your words, not mine), what's stopping you? Haven't you had enough reasons? Or, is it just the cool way to talk now?

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Thanks for the education. For the record, I admit in front of all these witnesses, I will never be as cool as you.
 
mtsu_av8er said:
So, if all you " . . . need is a good reason" to leave the industry (your words, not mine), what's stopping you? Haven't you had enough reasons? Or, is it just the cool way to talk now?

;)
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How about "If I get furloughed, I'd rather be furloughed in year 2 of my career rather than year 35" ... does that make any sense? A lot of people love this job, but if you're 40, have two children and a house to pay for, it is really damn near impossible to go back to the bottom rung. That is at least the philosophy I've taken that is if something bad is going to happen to set me back in my life, I want it to happen at 25, not 40.
 
WAFlyBoy said:
Thanks for the education. For the record, I admit in front of all these witnesses, I will never be as cool as you.
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Anytime. I don't need the witnesses, though . . . and not trying to be cool, unlike most others. I'll say what nobody else has the intestinal fortitude to say.

Chris_Ford said:
? A lot of people love this job, but if you're 40, have two children and a house to pay for, it is really damn near impossible to go back to the bottom rung.
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Well, I'm not exactly 19 and living with my parents . . .
 
mtsu_av8er said:
Not, it really doesn't. Nobody is being forced at all. There are no armed guards, there are no jail sentences if you quit. There will be no M.P.s looking for you if you go.
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Lloyd, you and I agree on so many things!

Hold on a minute, the wife is yelling at me. Something about fixing the faucet. Yeah, yeah, I'll get to it. Yes dear! (God, I've got to find another job.)
 
(from the faa website)
FAA Forecasts Steady Growth in Air Travel Demand
Secretary Peters Cautions that Growing Delays Will Continue Without Changes
WASHINGTON, D.C. — U.S. Secretary of Transportation Mary E. Peters today cautioned that aviation delays will grow without significant reforms, as forecasters predict air traffic will increase by the equivalent of two major hub airports each year through 2020.

The number of passengers carried by U.S. commercial air carriers is on track to hit the one billion mark by 2015, according to the report. Certain key hubs, such as Washington Dulles (68 percent), New York Kennedy (59 percent), Los Angeles International (54 percent), and Atlanta Hartsfield (38 percent), will see significant growth in the number of take-offs and landings, risking major passenger delays if we fail to upgrade the nation’s air traffic control system.

The FAA Aerospace Forecast Fiscal Years 2007-2020 predicts 768 million passengers to be flying this fiscal year, more-than one billion passengers by 2015, and 1.2 billion by 2020. The forecast also expects 62.5 million take-offs and landings at the nation’s towered airports this fiscal year. By 2020, that number is expected to reach 81.1 million operations, growing by an average of 1.4 million per year during the forecast period. In addition, general aviation, or private flying hours are expected to increase by 59 percent by 2020.



Someone will have to carry these people...merger or no merger!
This is not a TWA/AA when pax load was way down because of 9-11.
A merger might cause some job loss within the two companies, but that does not change the number of air travellers!
 
The airlines that are going to grow the most domestically are the Skybus and VA types. Its a sad state of affair, but look for the $10 tickets to continue...oh and the 60K a year Capt salary.
 
Maybe. If the unions are smart, merger language will manage to give the nod to union regional feeds.

Then again, if the Heavy drivers throw the RJ drivers under the bus, it wouldn't make a difference at all.

I guess it really depends on how much they really think about their "Regional Colleagues" on the small side of the Scope clause.
 
mtsu_av8er said:
Exactly! I'm more concerned about where I'm going to get my next corn dog than I am about what these two airlines do, because I can do nothing about it either way.
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You and your "stay in your lane" mentality!

;)
 
The interesting thing about mergers is that they are done, presumably, in the interests increasing profits. We've had 30 years of mergers in which dozens of major carriers (called trunk carriers back then) have whittled that number down to 6, and yet the industry is no more profitable than it was 30 years ago.

Also, on a side thought, this thought struck me yesterday. Consider a pilot who got hired on at Southern Airways 30 years ago. A year later, his company merged with Hughes Airwest and North Central Airlines to form Republic Airlines. Then about 8 years later, Republic merged with Northwest Orient (Northwest) and now 22 years later, it is merging with Delta Airlines, with Delta seemingly emerging as the surviving carrier.
 
mtsu_av8er said:
You don't really need a reason, you know - you can just walk away. . .
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mtsu_av8er said:
Not, it really doesn't. Nobody is being forced at all. There are no armed guards, there are no jail sentences if you quit. There will be no M.P.s looking for you if you go. Just another job that somebody else is willing to do.

So, if all you " . . . need is a good reason" to leave the industry (your words, not mine), what's stopping you? Haven't you had enough reasons? Or, is it just the cool way to talk now?

;)
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Times will never change. . .
 
All we can do is speculate on what will happen, taking into account the industry history. Things are always changing, you just need to make the best decision for you, using the available information and literally hope for the best.

Certainly the industry is changing right now. Almost a complete turn around from this time last year (almost). A lot of Regionals have slowed up big time, some of them even having trouble and few have gone belly up. I would expect the next few years to be slow, with little movement upward. I don't want to see that, because no movement means long upgrades for everyone.

I'm just happy to be in the position I am in right now. I think leaving Colgan was a smart decision on many levels. If I'm going to get stuck at a Regional, I'd rather be stuck at one with good QOL and a Union. Plus I think we're one of the few Regionals still actively hiring on a large scale. I expect that too will slow down, but hopefully not before I get quite a few peope behind me. :D
 
skydog said:
The interesting thing about mergers is that they are done, presumably, in the interests increasing profits. We've had 30 years of mergers in which dozens of major carriers (called trunk carriers back then) have whittled that number down to 6, and yet the industry is no more profitable than it was 30 years ago.

Also, on a side thought, this thought struck me yesterday. Consider a pilot who got hired on at Southern Airways 30 years ago. A year later, his company merged with Hughes Airwest and North Central Airlines to form Republic Airlines. Then about 8 years later, Republic merged with Northwest Orient (Northwest) and now 22 years later, it is merging with Delta Airlines, with Delta seemingly emerging as the surviving carrier.
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Fallacy in your logic:

There are now six "Legacy" major carriers. You left out the LLCs, the Nationals, the international-come-latelys, etc...
 
Airdale said:
All we can do is speculate on what will happen, taking into account the industry history. Things are always changing, you just need to make the best decision for you, using the available information and literally hope for the best.

Certainly the industry is changing right now. Almost a complete turn around from this time last year (almost). A lot of Regionals have slowed up big time, some of them even having trouble and few have gone belly up. I would expect the next few years to be slow, with little movement upward. I don't want to see that, because no movement means long upgrades for everyone.

I'm just happy to be in the position I am in right now. I think leaving Colgan was a smart decision on many levels. If I'm going to get stuck at a Regional, I'd rather be stuck at one with good QOL and a Union. Plus I think we're one of the few Regionals still actively hiring on a large scale. I expect that too will slow down, but hopefully not before I get quite a few peope behind me. :D
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Hey! Hey! You remember a few months back when everybody said I was CRRRRAAAAAAZY for leaving Colgan for a place like EAGLE?

:rolleyes:
 
Firebird2XC said:
Fallacy in your logic:

There are now six "Legacy" major carriers. You left out the LLCs, the Nationals, the international-come-latelys, etc...
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I left them out because, with the exception of Southwest and Alaska, they didn't exist pre-deregulation. Ok, so there are 8 carriers. My basic point still holds true. Where once there existed dozens of viable carriers, we are now down to less than 10, due to mergers and consolidations. And yet, the industry still does not make money.
 
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