Don't Screw The Skyway Pilots, MEH & Joe Kolshak.

zmiller4 said:
I don't mean to be harsh on you or surreal, but saying stuff like this shows how little you guys know about the Skywest pilot group. There's a HUGE difference between not voting in ALPA and being willing to scab.

I don't think that there's any way management would try to force us to fly struck work. There may be a couple here and there who would do it (as with any other airline), but the MKE pilots I've talked to would not do it, period. I had similar conversations with SLC folks when ASA was in contract negociations, and the consensus was that if ASA walked management would be smarter than to try and take over struck flying because they know no one would do it.

I think 99% of the pilots would lose their job before scabbing. I hope I'm not wrong.
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But what can you guys do if they tell you to fly it? You thinking that management wouldn't force you to fly it and them actually telling you to fly those routes are different. What type of protection do you guys have if you refuse to fly the routes?
 
zmiller4 said:
I don't mean to be harsh on you or surreal, but saying stuff like this shows how little you guys know about the Skywest pilot group. There's a HUGE difference between not voting in ALPA and being willing to scab.

I don't think that there's any way management would try to force us to fly struck work. There may be a couple here and there who would do it (as with any other airline), but the MKE pilots I've talked to would not do it, period. I had similar conversations with SLC folks when ASA was in contract negociations, and the consensus was that if ASA walked management would be smarter than to try and take over struck flying because they know no one would do it.

I think 99% of the pilots would lose their job before scabbing. I hope I'm not wrong.
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That's great to hear you think you pilot group wouldn't fly struck work and your management wouldn't force you to do so either. But really, what protection do you have to prevent it? Like I said before, I wasn't speaking for surreal.....just speculating as to why he made the comment he made. If your management saw money bleeding out of the company and has the means to stop the bleeding......do you truly believe they're not going to take action to save the beast? I hope you're right.

Soul Brotha' said:
But what can you guys do if they tell you to fly it? You thinking that management wouldn't force you to fly it and them actually telling you to fly those routes are different. What type of protection do you guys have if you refuse to fly the routes?
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:yeahthat:
 
Cruise said:
That's great to hear you think you pilot group wouldn't fly struck work and your management wouldn't force you to do so either. But really, what protection do you have to prevent it? Like I said before, I wasn't speaking for surreal.....just speculating as to why he made the comment he made. If your management saw money bleeding out of the company and has the means to stop the bleeding......do you truly believe they're not going to take action to save the beast? I hope you're right.
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I seem to miss the part where SkyWest would be flying struck work?

I think some of you noobs on this board need to realize that regional flying is CONTRACT work. Many of these contracts have performance clauses and other built in items that allow the company footing the bill to get what they want; CHEAPER flying. I'm sorry, but this is how every industry is. If you can't keep costs under control while providing a good product, you're out of business.

A big problem I see with the industry is pilots started making regional airline flying a career. It wasn't ever this way and was never intended too. Add in the crappy major pay (first few years, depending on airline), why would someone making 85K+ leave? The majors need to step up their pay as an incentive for pilots to leave. I'm not going to get into the math with out but let's just say it's at least a decade before you break even. Then you have furlough? Seems to me more majors are prone to furloughs. Throw in that and you'll never break even.

One more thing, you signed up for this so get off your high horses, quit complaining, do your job, and go home.
 
stuckingfk said:
One more thing, you signed up for this so get off your high horses, quit complaining, do your job, and go home.
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You think Surreal is on a high horse now?? Wait till he gets out of the right seat of his 172 and actually gets a regional job! Bow down! :rolleyes: :cwm27:
 
I hope ALPA gets them that severance.

Gotta agree with Zmiller on this. Though many of the pilots here did not vote for ALPA, I think most understand the issue and would NOT be chomping at the bit to fly those routes. (Assuming it actually was struck work.) I think most would want to avoid it like the plague.
How they would avoid it is another issue however. They could voice their opinions to SAPA. How effective that would be. . . . I don't know. (BTW YES I know there is no contract that ultimately offers us ALPA-esque protection from doing such things, but that doesn't mean they can't make thier voice heard. They would have to stand together to make it work. If they did, I believe it could work.)
 
stuckingfk said:
I seem to miss the part where SkyWest would be flying struck work?

I think some of you noobs on this board need to realize that regional flying is CONTRACT work. Many of these contracts have performance clauses and other built in items that allow the company footing the bill to get what they want; CHEAPER flying. I'm sorry, but this is how every industry is. If you can't keep costs under control while providing a good product, you're out of business.

A big problem I see with the industry is pilots started making regional airline flying a career. It wasn't ever this way and was never intended too. Add in the crappy major pay (first few years, depending on airline), why would someone making 85K+ leave? The majors need to step up their pay as an incentive for pilots to leave. I'm not going to get into the math with out but let's just say it's at least a decade before you break even. Then you have furlough? Seems to me more majors are prone to furloughs. Throw in that and you'll never break even.

One more thing, you signed up for this so get off your high horses, quit complaining, do your job, and go home.
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Don't think anyone is on a high horse or complaining for that matter. :whatever:

Thanks for your input. It's great to hear a fellow noob chime in with their opinion on the matter. Next, I think everyone here would agree the regionals weren't meant to be a 'career.' Unfortunately, I don't think the HR departments of the major/legacy airlines got the memo. As a result, there are many many more regional pilots than there are jobs available to move on to. Not a good equation for the thousand who would like to move on but can't because there's nothing to move on to.

Seeing as how you seem to have the answers on how to not make the regional airlines a career.....it would be super special if you could share it with the rest of us. Help your fellow noobs out!
 
Nice post/point Cruise.

Most of us like who we work for and enjoy what we do, but would like to one day move into bigger and better things. (Myself included. Call me weird but I like working here.) That doesn't mean we don't try to inspire changes while we are at our current jobs.
 
Cruise said:
Don't think anyone is on a high horse or complaining for that matter. :whatever:

Thanks for your input. It's great to hear a fellow noob chime in with their opinion on the matter. Next, I think everyone here would agree the regionals weren't meant to be a 'career.' Unfortunately, I don't think the HR departments of the major/legacy airlines got the memo. As a result, there are many many more regional pilots than there are jobs available to move on to. Not a good equation for the thousand who would like to move on but can't because there's nothing to move on to.

Seeing as how you seem to have the answers on how to not make the regional airlines a career.....it would be super special if you could share it with the rest of us. Help your fellow noobs out!
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I'm willing to bet money the majority of pilots at Colgan are there for one thing; quick upgrade. I know I know, you'll say there are several there for the outstation basing. But most of your pilots want to move on for several <insert reasons here>.

I know several regionals where a larger percentage (when compared to others) that will never leave.

You made a great point about not enough jobs for people to move on to. It's even worse now that age 65 was voted in. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't ALPA a big proponent of voting that law in? Seems to me they pushed a large percentage of pilots under the bus to help a few out.
 
stuckingfk said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't ALPA a big proponent of voting that law in? Seems to me they pushed a large percentage of pilots under the bus to help a few out.
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Don't bash ALPA here. They knew it was going to change no matter what side they took. They supported it to influence the way the law was changed.
 
I did answer the question. Don't blame ALPA on this one, it WAS going to change, they tried to influence the change.

Oh yeah I am sure ALPA is not perfect but it is better than what I have right now.
 
ALPA is not the answer for everything, it has issues. With that being said, I know I have some representation and my job has protection.
 
Seggy said:
Don't bash ALPA here. They knew it was going to change no matter what side they took. They supported it to influence the way the law was changed.
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At first, however, ALPA was against the age change for reasons of "career expectations." Because we all knew the rule was going to change, ALPA gave up that fight, and instead worked in support of the rule to ensure that it would benefit all as best as possible. Which was a good move by ALPA.
 
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