Logging Cross Country question

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Hubbs

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Yet another of my irritating yet random questions...

Is it legitimate to log cross country (for reaching the IR requirements) as follows:

I fly from my home airport to another airport less than 50NM away, pick up a friend, then fly to a third airport that is more than 50NM away. I then log the whole trip from my home airport to the destination airport as cross country. I am on the ground for less than 10 mins whilst picking up my friend.

Is this possible, or would I log it as two separate flights, or would I log it as one flight with a cross country portion that was less than the total time for the flight?

Thanks very much for your opinions.
 
Hmm, part 61 or 141.. I am pretty sure you can log as cross country. If i remember right any flight with more then one landing at different airport is a cross country.

Example flight from KXXX-K123-KXXX last 1.7 hours, you could log 1.7 cross country, As long as you land at K123.. ?????????
 
Hubbs said:
Yet another of my irritating yet random questions...

Is it legitimate to log cross country (for reaching the IR requirements) as follows:

I fly from my home airport to another airport less than 50NM away, pick up a friend, then fly to a third airport that is more than 50NM away. I then log the whole trip from my home airport to the destination airport as cross country. I am on the ground for less than 10 mins whilst picking up my friend.

Is this possible, or would I log it as two separate flights, or would I log it as one flight with a cross country portion that was less than the total time for the flight?

Thanks very much for your opinions.
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As long as one of the airports is at least 50 nm from the original point of departure, you can log it all as cross country.

Michael
 
If I were you I would log it as one flight with different CC then TT. Ex- KBDR-KOXC-KWST-KBDR. TT-1.5 CC-1.0.

61.1 (3) specifically says that a landing has to be made at an airport with a straight line distance at least 50 NM's from point of departure....Your first leg would not qualify is CC since you said its less.
 
No you can not log XC for the entire duration. Only the portion that is 50 nm straight line distance from your LAST departure point.
 
MichaelCPS said:
As long as one of the airports is at least 50 nm from the original point of departure, you can log it all as cross country.

Michael
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:yeahthat:

Draw a 50nm ring around your departure airport and any trip outside that can be logged as xc time, regardless to the number of stops.
 
Milesar said:
:yeahthat:

Draw a 50nm ring around your departure airport and any trip outside that can be logged as xc time, regardless to the number of stops.
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That is true...But if he stops at an airport prior to reaching the 50 NM ring, he cannot log that time as CC, and will have to start a new ring from that point of departure.
 
Any landing at an airport other than the original departure airport may be logged as cross country.

Straight out of 61.1(b)(3)

Now obviously, if the rating / certificate you are after requires a NM distance then you must meet that requirement.
 
But if he stops at an airport prior to reaching the 50 NM ring, he cannot log that time as CC, and will have to start a new ring from that point of departure.
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I can fly across the U.S., stopping every 49 miles, and not log any cross country time? (for the purposes of the IR)
 
I will get an interpretation from my FSDO tomorrow. I have had this discussion with two FSDO's before, hence my original answer. Here is a scenario:

(ii) One solo cross-country flight of at least 150 nautical miles total distance, with full-stop landings at a minimum of three points, and one segment of the flight consisting of a straight-line distance of at least 50 nautical miles between the takeoff and landing locations;

Here is a potential breakdown:

Leg 1: Point A to B: 60 Miles
Leg 2: Point B to C: 40 Miles
Leg 3: Point C to A: 50 Miles

Does this fulfill the requirements for the PPL?
 
He said he was doing this for requirements for an instrument rating, so the 50NM rule is in effect.


As for the other example with 60/40/50 legs, I would say it depends on the FDSO's interpretation of "original point of departure". Is it the original point that he left from to start the trip, or the point he is currently leaving from? good question?
 
MikeOH58 said:
He said he was doing this for requirements for an instrument rating, so the 50NM rule is in effect.


As for the other example with 60/40/50 legs, I would say it depends on the FDSO's interpretation of "original point of departure". Is it the original point that he left from to start the trip, or the point he is currently leaving from? good question?
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The interpretation I have been given by the two different FSDO's in the past is that the distance is from the original point of departure. So the following flight is kosher (and all loggable as cross country > 50 NM):

Point A to B: 49.8
Point B to C: 51
Point C to D: 10
Point D to E: 108
Point E to A: 170
 
Berkut said:
I can fly across the U.S., stopping every 49 miles, and not log any cross country time? (for the purposes of the IR)
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As long as you make a landing at any airport over 50nm from your original point of your departure, you can log it as XC time for the purpose of training. You could fly 30nm make a stop, then fly 50nm from your original departure point, and this could be considered all XC time.

However, for specific ratings, there are specific xc's that need to meet more specific criteria... specifically.

spiffy huh?
 
Milesar said:
As long as you make a landing at any airport over 50nm from your original point of your departure, you can log it as XC time for the purpose of training. You could fly 30nm make a stop, then fly 50nm from your original departure point, and this could be considered all XC time.

However, for specific ratings, there are specific xc's that need to meet more specific criteria... specifically.

spiffy huh?
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Your first paragraph speaks of a 50nm requirement for logging ANY cross country. Which is not correct.

Any landing at a point other than the departure point may be logged as cross-country.

Now, I see you indicated for specific ratings, there are specific xc's that need to meet more specific criteria.

Lots of specifics. And once again, it's real simple.

You're satisfying a requirement for a certificate / rating, so any XC (landing at a point other than the departure) must be at or greater than the nautical mile requirement for that certificate / rating.
 
I thought it was correct?

When meeting requirements for a rating that requires a minimum amount of xc time, those xc flights have to be outside 50nm from the original point, it doesn't matter if you make 100 stops on the way there.


For other purposes, you could log a 3nm hop as xc time... in fact I think that all counts towards 135mins, but I could be wrong.
 
Yes. Now you are saying it correctly.

It appeared that your previous inputs were not interpretating the letter of the law properly.

And yes. . .all XC time counts towards 135 mins.

61.1(B)(3)(i) covers what the definition of a Cross Country.

One must then goto the certificate/rating they are applying for to find any further information SPECIFIC to that certificate/rating in regards to required cross country experience. This is indicated by 61.1(B)(3)(ii)
 
MikeOH58 said:
That is true...But if he stops at an airport prior to reaching the 50 NM ring, he cannot log that time as CC, and will have to start a new ring from that point of departure.
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That's wrong. There is no requirement that there be a >50 NM leg.

KAAA -20NM-> KBBB -20 NM-> KCCC -20NM-> KDDD

is a legitimate cross country so long as either KBBB, KCCC =or= KDDD is > 50 NM from KAAA.
 
MichaelCPS said:
I will get an interpretation from my FSDO tomorrow. I have had this discussion with two FSDO's before, hence my original answer. Here is a scenario:

(ii) One solo cross-country flight of at least 150 nautical miles total distance, with full-stop landings at a minimum of three points, and one segment of the flight consisting of a straight-line distance of at least 50 nautical miles between the takeoff and landing locations;

Here is a potential breakdown:

Leg 1: Point A to B: 60 Miles
Leg 2: Point B to C: 40 Miles
Leg 3: Point C to A: 50 Miles

Does this fulfill the requirements for the PPL?
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Yup.

You flew 60 NM from point a to point b. That is over 50 NM. That means you're good to go.
 
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