Another reserve question

troopernflight

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Just curious, when you are on reserve and have to commute to another airport (say Charlotte, NC to Dallas, TX) do you usually give yourself an entire day to jumpseat? For instance, what are the chances of not getting on multiple jumpseat flights and sitting at your home airport for 8 hours? Once you do get to your base, how often do you sit and not get assigned to fly? I mean, is there a chance you would go to your base for 5 days, and never get assigned to fly anything? How long does the average pilot stay on reserve status? I know this probably varies by airline. And I apologize for asking so many questions at one time, but I want to make sure I get answers to everything I had in my head. Thanks!
 
It depends on the company, but I'll tell you what I'm doing right now (and hopefully for the last month! I'll find out tomorrow when our phase II bid packets come out).

I commute to reserve from Salt Lake City, UT to Newark, NJ. Because of the distance of the commute and the few number of flights per day between these airports, I generally have to leave Salt Lake at 10:00 a.m. the day BEFORE reserve starts to make sure I'm in Newark. But the why is more important.

Our commuter clause says (basically) we need to have two flights to get us to our base that, 24 hours before the flight departs, have seats available that will get us in 30 minutes before our flight or reserve time starts. Because there are only two flights a day between Salt Lake and Newark I generally have to leave at 10:00 a.m. the day before to make sure that I have my primary and secondary flight to count towards my commuter clause. There are some exceptions, like today, where Continental also runs a red eye, allowing me to use the second Delta flight at 5:00 p.m. as my primary and the Continental flight as the secondary.

Now here's another example: let's say I'm based at LAX instead of Newark. That commute has A TON more flights, so I could possibly leave the morning my reserve would start if I have two flights that get me into LAX 30 minutes before my reserve period starts.

The chances of getting on a flight depends on how many seats there are, the weather, what phase the moon is in and what other commuters are trying to do the same thing and how you stack up against them seniority wise.

I'm currently flying about half of the time that I'm on reserve. On my last block of reserve days I sat for 6 days until I tried to go home, at which point scheduling gave me a turn up to CYUL. I'm expecting to do a little bit more on this next block.

The length of time you're on reserve depends on a bunch of different factors. It depends on your base, your aircraft, how many people are hired after you, how many people are leaving your base, how many people are upgrading, etc. etc. You could be on reserve 0 months to 12+. I think Ready2Fly spent a year and a half or more on reserve with Eagle. It looks like I'll spend 7 months on reserve (that number is based on date of hire) in Newark before holding a relief line, and then maybe I'll hold a hard line this summer (so about a year).
 
Just curious, when you are on reserve and have to commute to another airport (say Charlotte, NC to Dallas, TX) do you usually give yourself an entire day to jumpseat? For instance, what are the chances of not getting on multiple jumpseat flights and sitting at your home airport for 8 hours? Once you do get to your base, how often do you sit and not get assigned to fly? I mean, is there a chance you would go to your base for 5 days, and never get assigned to fly anything? How long does the average pilot stay on reserve status? I know this probably varies by airline. And I apologize for asking so many questions at one time, but I want to make sure I get answers to everything I had in my head. Thanks!

A lot of this depends upon your airline, rules, callout times, and so on... but here goes from OUR place...

We have two reserve callout windows: 0400-2000 and 1000-2359. When called, you have 2 hrs (minimum) to get to crew ops. SO... you have to plan accordingly. If you are coming from a place with a VERY busy route between there and your home station, better plan on at LEAST a couple of flights to get you there ahead of time. Feel lucky? Plan to show up just before your window. Like to make sure you're not late (like me)? Leave early.

As for how often you fly and how often you fly is TOTALLY up to where you are and the time of the year. I've had some months where I flew almost every day, and some where I hardly flew at all. Some airlines use their reserves a lot (it's kinda in their plan), others not so much. No way to predict without more info.

As for how long you are on reserve, again, your mileage may vary. We have a rule that you can't be on duty more than 6 consecutive days, so SOMETIMES (usually if you swap for it) you work six straight. We have a rule that they can only schedule you for a minimum of two days at a time, so we do at least that many. Typically I was on for 4-5 days at a time, I'd say...

And if you meant how long till you're off reserve completely (as in a lineholder), that is impossible to answer. Somewhere between one month and several years..... :)

Hope this helps!
 
Hey, just curious, what do you guys do when you're traveling on reserve? Do you just fly to the airport and sit there all day waiting for a flight or something like that?
 
Just curious, when you are on reserve and have to commute to another airport (say Charlotte, NC to Dallas, TX) do you usually give yourself an entire day to jumpseat?

Yes, if I can - It makes it a little less stressful.

For instance, what are the chances of not getting on multiple jumpseat flights and sitting at your home airport for 8 hours?

Depends. Going from Minneapolis to Ontario, California usually isn't much of an event - though a two leg commute, and that can be fun. ;)

Once you do get to your base, how often do you sit and not get assigned to fly? I mean, is there a chance you would go to your base for 5 days, and never get assigned to fly anything?

Depends. Lately though... I've done one day trip in the last two weeks or so, and I've been pretty aggressive trying to pick up trips. So, I (and a bunch of others down here) have spent a fair share of time in the crashpad.

How long does the average pilot stay on reserve status? I know this probably varies by airline.

You got it! :)
 
Base on my recent experience:

Just curious, when you are on reserve and have to commute to another airport (say Charlotte, NC to Dallas, TX) do you usually give yourself an entire day to jumpseat? For instance, what are the chances of not getting on multiple jumpseat flights and sitting at your home airport for 8 hours?

I live in SEA, work at ORD. If loads are light, I often plan to arrive a couple hours before reserve starts. If I have a trip scheduled, or loads are uncomfortably high, I will typically arrive at the airport 2 flights before my last chance is scheduled to leave.

Once you do get to your base, how often do you sit and not get assigned to fly? I mean, is there a chance you would go to your base for 5 days, and never get assigned to fly anything?

I flew last week for the first time in three weeks. Yes, three four-day reserve periods of sitting around the crash pad watching CNBC and Dawson's Creek.

How long does the average pilot stay on reserve status? I know this probably varies by airline.

Looks like about three months for me, maybe four. But it looks like I might have a line next month. (174 lines targeted for March and I'm 174 on the senority list.)

What you'll need to do in order to commute responsibly will depend on your city pair's schedules and loads, and the amount of risk you are willing to accept.
 
Ok, thanks guys, a lot of good info here. So if I understand correctly, you can call the day before your commute to find out if your jumpseat flights are getting to near full? I assume this is how you make decisions on when to leave, or what flights to try for.
 
I flew last week for the first time in three weeks. Yes, three four-day reserve periods of sitting around the crash pad watching CNBC and Dawson's Creek.

how do you do it?
 
Ok, thanks guys, a lot of good info here. So if I understand correctly, you can call the day before your commute to find out if your jumpseat flights are getting to near full? I assume this is how you make decisions on when to leave, or what flights to try for.

Yup - you can call or go online to check flight loads.
 
Keep in mind, many airlines have "commuter clauses" that protect commuting pilots from discipline if you aren't able to make it to your domicile for the start of your trip/reserve period. For example, Pinnacle's contract had what we called a "call in honest policy," which meant that if you had at least two flights that would get you to your domicile before the start of your assignment, then you couldn't be disciplined if you got bumped off of those flights and didn't make it to work. You could do this two times a year with no questions asked, and if you exceeded that, the ALPA "commuting committee" would "counsel" you on your commuting problems. In reality, the commuting committee consisted of a single union rep who had no intention of "counseling" anyone. When I explained this to the base manager and the CP after they wanted to discipline some guy who used his 4th call in honest in a year, they weren't too happy. My response? "A contract is a contract, guys. Sound familiar?" :)
 
Yeah, so do you guys just sit around at the airport on reserve after you've commuted to it or what?
 
Just curious, when you are on reserve and have to commute to another airport (say Charlotte, NC to Dallas, TX) do you usually give yourself an entire day to jumpseat?

Yep... It helps.. There is usually a "call in honest" policy too, however that involves you being at the airport ready to go for like 2 or 3 flights...

For instance, what are the chances of not getting on multiple jumpseat flights and sitting at your home airport for 8 hours?

I've never had that happen.. I also never got "stuck." I had an easy peasy commute though...



Once you do get to your base, how often do you sit and not get assigned to fly? I mean, is there a chance you would go to your base for 5 days, and never get assigned to fly anything?

Depends on the airline.. Lack of staffing, etc.. I sat an entire month - 31 days - and flew .8... Yes.. POINT EIGHT...


How long does the average pilot stay on reserve status? I know this probably varies by airline.

From none to a lot.. Pick one.. :)
 
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