Colgan - No Saab FO Classes Until March + Pilot Development

Re: Colgan - No Saab FO Classes Until March + Pilot Developm

I'm gonna try and do the impossible, commute! 3 hour drive ain't bad at all. Those 4 day trips look commutable. Plus I get free train rides from my dad (works in a railroad company). That amtrak from ALB to NYC , flights back and forth, and driving if all else fails. I think I can do it. For the few nights that I will need to stay there, I've got a connection at one of the hotels.

my head hurts just reading that man. please get a crashpad for safety sake. driving that much all hours of the night after a 16 hour day?
 
Re: Colgan - No Saab FO Classes Until March + Pilot Developm

my head hurts just reading that man. please get a crashpad for safety sake. driving that much all hours of the night after a 16 hour day?

That's what the hotel is for, for times like that. Let's see how it goes, I'm hoping it works out. I got a limited budget here.
 
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That's what the hotel is for, for times like that. Let's see how it goes, I'm hoping it works out. I got a limited budget here.

i understand. it drives me insane that pilots even consider stuff like this for budget reasons. seggy give this guy a cheap nightly rate will ya.

lol, and i sound like a broken record.
 
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but i would bet money they will do it with a contract.

Yea, I don't know how you could do it without tieing it into a contract. Otherwise people would just go through the course, get some SIM time and some extra study on systems and go to another airline.

-Rob
 
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Why not? We have a nice comfy floor space all ready for you.

:confused:

Dude, do we seriously have room for more guys??? We're already sleeping on each others air matresses in the one room. I'll be out in a few weeks anyway.
 
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Dude, do we seriously have room for more guys??? We're already sleeping on each others air matresses in the one room. I'll be out in a few weeks anyway.

You guys really are living the dream. Haha

-Rob
 
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Dude, do we seriously have room for more guys??? We're already sleeping on each others air matresses in the one room. I'll be out in a few weeks anyway.

Well you won't have to worry about me. The other guy probably won't be getting ALB until you leave, but even then he just told me he will stay in a hotel if he has to like I will.
 
Re: Colgan - No Saab FO Classes Until March + Pilot Developm

Dude, do we seriously have room for more guys??? We're already sleeping on each others air matresses in the one room. I'll be out in a few weeks anyway.


Segg's are you guys hot-racking in the crashpad....? :D
 
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Segg's are you guys hot-racking in the crashpad....? :D

No, its just that we're crammed in a room so small our air matress are touching, so its like sleeping on one giant bed. It sucks!!!!!!!


Snuggle said:
Well you won't have to worry about me. The other guy probably won't be getting ALB until you leave, but even then he just told me he will stay in a hotel if he has to like I will.

That can get expensive though man. Even at the Colgan rate I think its still like $40 or so a night. If we keep doing overnights then it isn't that bad, but that can get expensive. We'd rather see guys just come find a place on the living room floor then go broke trying to stay at a hotel.
 
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I like the idea of Colgans training program with a few exceptions.

1. It could potentially teach a candidate just barely enough to pass the sim check when any pilot with half a brain cell should be able to pass anyway hence letting in an unquallified applicant. smoke and mirrors

2. If there is no commitment what is stopping the prospects from getting the experience in the sim and sharpening their skills all the while getting a feel for the quirky sim characteristics and then applying to the regional of their choice with their newly aquired free skills.

And the Q400(sim) is great, I think people would have a good time flying it around. As for the 1000 hour mins, just like anything else it sounds great and I would love to see it happen but supply and demand will win. If Colgan can not fill the seats with 1000 hour guys they will try 800 hour guys and so on until we hit 500 or less. I of course would love to see applicants attracted with an industry leading payscale but no one asked my oppinion yet. It is not entirely true though regarding the hard 1000 hour mins because my sim partner had a little over half that and did better in training then I did, although most of his 500 hours are in a beechjet and KC-135 so I am sure that was a worthy exception.

As for being delayed with the plane, it doesnt really look like it, number one is painted and ready to go and I believe 2 and 3 are also all assembled. As for what Colgan needs to do once they get it to make it a revenue flying machine, I have no idea, that is not my department. I think that within +- 3 weeks most of the planes will be on time.
 
Re: Colgan - No Saab FO Classes Until March + Pilot Developm

I like the idea of Colgans training program with a few exceptions.

1. It could potentially teach a candidate just barely enough to pass the sim check when any pilot with half a brain cell should be able to pass anyway hence letting in an unquallified applicant. smoke and mirrors

2. If there is no commitment what is stopping the prospects from getting the experience in the sim and sharpening their skills all the while getting a feel for the quirky sim characteristics and then applying to the regional of their choice with their newly aquired free skills.

And the Q400(sim) is great, I think people would have a good time flying it around. As for the 1000 hour mins, just like anything else it sounds great and I would love to see it happen but supply and demand will win. If Colgan can not fill the seats with 1000 hour guys they will try 800 hour guys and so on until we hit 500 or less. I of course would love to see applicants attracted with an industry leading payscale but no one asked my oppinion yet. It is not entirely true though regarding the hard 1000 hour mins because my sim partner had a little over half that and did better in training then I did, although most of his 500 hours are in a beechjet and KC-135 so I am sure that was a worthy exception.

As for being delayed with the plane, it doesnt really look like it, number one is painted and ready to go and I believe 2 and 3 are also all assembled. As for what Colgan needs to do once they get it to make it a revenue flying machine, I have no idea, that is not my department. I think that within +- 3 weeks most of the planes will be on time.

Good points. You have a good attitude, I wish the best of luck to you and all the Colgan pilots. Hopefully ALPA will make the vote next year and I have a feeling things will greatly improve. Financially I just can't wait that long.
 
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My bet is there's gonna be either an extended training contract involved with the pilot development or they're testing the waters for a "Gulfstream-esque" money making scheme. Casey and PCL Holdings don't do anything for free. Hub basing would make sense. You'll need fewer crews that way since all of your reserves would be in the same place instead of scattered over outstations. And where would they get the money for Dashes? The same place they got the money for Q400s......Pinnacle.
 
Re: Colgan - No Saab FO Classes Until March + Pilot Developm

My bet is there's gonna be either an extended training contract involved with the pilot development or they're testing the waters for a "Gulfstream-esque" money making scheme. Casey and PCL Holdings don't do anything for free. Hub basing would make sense. You'll need fewer crews that way since all of your reserves would be in the same place instead of scattered over outstations. And where would they get the money for Dashes? The same place they got the money for Q400s......Pinnacle.


I hope you guys strike and really make a statement. You've been getting the shaft for what, three years now? Ya'll are due for some serious improvements.
 
Re: Colgan - No Saab FO Classes Until March + Pilot Developm

My bet is there's gonna be either an extended training contract involved with the pilot development or they're testing the waters for a "Gulfstream-esque" money making scheme. Casey and PCL Holdings don't do anything for free. Hub basing would make sense. You'll need fewer crews that way since all of your reserves would be in the same place instead of scattered over outstations. And where would they get the money for Dashes? The same place they got the money for Q400s......Pinnacle.

if i didn't make that clear in my first post i will now. i think kellwolf is absolutely right.
 
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i posted the exact same thing first, doesn't that mean i'm smart.

you guys never pay attention to me! :banghead::(

Awe sorry Joe. Kellwolf is one smart wolf and you're one smart Monkey. Better? :D
 
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