Unreal - TSA

C150J

C150J

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Effective immediately “the TSA now requires that all employees going through the security checkpoints for screening must remove their badge from their pouch or lanyard and physically hand their badge to the TSA document checker for verification.” This will allow the TSA to use “lights and loops” when checking IDs for signs of alteration or tampering. The industry has not been provided an updated list of where TSA has assumed the ID checker functions.

How about actually FIXING the problem by allowing CREWPASS to go into full effect and stop this nonsense. I'm a pretty middle-of-the-road person, but this is unbelievable.
 
C150J said:
Effective immediately “the TSA now requires that all employees going through the security checkpoints for screening must remove their badge from their pouch or lanyard and physically hand their badge to the TSA document checker for verification.” This will allow the TSA to use “lights and loops” when checking IDs for signs of alteration or tampering. The industry has not been provided an updated list of where TSA has assumed the ID checker functions.

How about actually FIXING the problem by allowing CREWPASS to go into full effect and stop this nonsense. I'm a pretty middle-of-the-road person, but this is unbelievable.
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Well then stand up to this.

Call your elected officials, use your vote, to put in individuals who think rationally instead of using terrorism on their own citizens.

This is ridiculous. But at least you're coming around to this fact. :)
 
FWIW a TSA agent was complaining as he was wand-ing my badge about how stupid it was.

This is something I've honestly been worried about though, how hard would it be to obtain an airline badge, alter it, and reproduce it? I've often thought terrorist-trained pilots might use this to gain access. Anyway, hopefully as J said it's a temp fix until they can get some real security in place.
 
I think it's the "permanent" fix though.

We've had what, six years to work on biometrics?
 
The last captain I flew had a guy in his crashpad who put a sticker picture of a grizzly bear's head over his actual face on the crew ID.

It took six weeks of flying the line for a security worker to notice it. The day it was finally noticed by one of them he peeled it off and continued through security.
 
Nick said:
The last captain I flew had a guy in his crashpad who put a sticker picture of a grizzly bear's head over his actual face on the crew ID.

It took six weeks of flying the line for a security worker to notice it. The day it was finally noticed by one of them he peeled it off and continued through security.
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And these are the people that are tasked with keeping MY cockpit safe?
 
I'm suddenly reminded of the song 'Los Banditos' by the Refreshments.


So give your ID card to the border guard/
and on it you can say/
you're Captain Jean Luc Picard/
of the United Federation of Planets/
'cause he won't speak English anyway../

'cause everybody knows/
that the world if full of stupid people

...
Yack yack yack you get the idea.
 
jtrain609 said:
And these are the people that are tasked with keeping MY cockpit safe?
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This is from the same captain I was flying with, only it was him.

The TSA clan comes down the jetway one day before the passengers had boarded. This captain was in his seat getting things ready and the flight attendant was in the galley doing the same.

After the TSA checked in with him to let him know they'd need to conduct a random search of the cabin, the one in charge seemed interested in the cockpit and was looking in from near the doorway. My captain invited him to hang out there for a minute as the search was going on in the back. Turns out this TSA supervisor had long had an interest in airlines and flying and expressed interest in trying lessons someday.

At this point my captain reached behind the seat and pulled out the crash axe and showed it to the supervisor, who was shocked. An axe, in the cockpit! As the search ended the supervisor thanked my captain for showing him the flight deck and talking about flying for a few minutes and said on the way out that he, and most TSA agents, had no idea that an axe is in the cockpit but pilots cannot bring nail clippers in their luggage. It completely opened his eyes to the irrationality of it all.
 
I don't think the terrorists are idiots, they used planes once, I doubt they'll do it again..

if I was the govt, i'd tighten up security at things like seaports and whatnot....

but who am I to give suggestions
 
Seaport security hasn't changed an iota.

However, seaport security is being funded by the airline security fees, but jack's been spent on seaport security. If you've got a dirty bomb, you can more or less pull up to a seaport and wreak havoc all under the guise of free trade.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Seaport security hasn't changed an iota.

However, seaport security is being funded by the airline security fees, but jack's been spent on seaport security. If you've got a dirty bomb, you can more or less pull up to a seaport and wreak havoc all under the guise of free trade.
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it reminds me when i was a little kid and we had a burglar pay a visit to our house when I was little.... took a few things and whatnot....

and my parents put an alarm system in the house.

well, guess what. that was supposed to be installed before the burglar came and did the damage :)

you shouldn't get robbed and put an alarm

you should put an alarm so you don't get robbed

you should pay your bill so your crap doesn't get cutoff :)

everything is being done in reverse order here it seems with the security stuff.
 
Firebird2XC said:
I'm suddenly reminded of the song 'Los Banditos' by the Refreshments.


So give your ID card to the border guard/
and on it you can say/
you're Captain Jean Luc Picard/
of the United Federation of Planets/
'cause he won't speak English anyway../

'cause everybody knows/
that the world if full of stupid people

...
Yack yack yack you get the idea.
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Heh. It's just "Bandidos."

'So give your ID card to the border guard
yeah your alias says you got Jean Luc Picard
Of the United Federation Of Planets
'cause he won't speak English anyway...

everybody knows
that the world is full of stupid people...."


That CD is in my car at this very moment. One of my favorite albums of all time.
 
We just got the formal word about these new checks yesterday. Better late then never. At least there was a reason given for it as well.

Apparently a pilot (CLE based, don't know if they were a feeder or mainline) lost their ID, but for what ever reason had made a high quality scan of it before hand. They printed out a color copy and stuck it in their badge holder. Some how the TSA figured out that they were just using a photocopy and hence the new inspection procedures.
 
NICE! Kudos to that guy. I wonder how long he got away with the phtocopy before somebody actually noticed. Of course now I bet that guy is in a HUGE world of fecal matter.
 
BobDDuck said:
We just got the formal word about these new checks yesterday. Better late then never. At least there was a reason given for it as well.

Apparently a pilot (CLE based, don't know if they were a feeder or mainline) lost their ID, but for what ever reason had made a high quality scan of it before hand. They printed out a color copy and stuck it in their badge holder. Some how the TSA figured out that they were just using a photocopy and hence the new inspection procedures.
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Wonder if it was one of our guys...
 
He could just paid the what, $10.00, for the new badge... and now he's got the rest of us throwing away our badge holders.
 
taseal said:
it reminds me when i was a little kid and we had a burglar pay a visit to our house when I was little.... took a few things and whatnot....

and my parents put an alarm system in the house.

well, guess what. that was supposed to be installed before the burglar came and did the damage :)

you shouldn't get robbed and put an alarm

you should put an alarm so you don't get robbed
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Yeah, except some thieves are pretty smart and have figured out that people will replace their stolen property within a month or two, and then the thieves will hit them again. Happens all the time with avionics, too; somebody'll steal a radio, the radio'll get replaced, and the thief will go back and swap the stolen radio and the new one, leaving him with a brand new radio that isn't on any stolen avionics list.
 
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