American Eagle Bases?

3green said:
FYI, to anyone interested the base guarantee only applies if there are openings at that base. I got my second base choice and not my first. No biggie but something to consider when assuming your base is guaranteed when interviewing... Then again, they did tell me to bid my first choice once training starts.

3green
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Bidding works- I bid ORD at interview in order to get one of the jets assigned to me. Now that I did, I dropped a bid for DFW. It's already been awarded, and I start week two in the sims on Monday.

I'll be DFW based effective 1 FEB, and will likely pull IOE somewhere else a week or two of reserve.

Not bad, all things considered.
 
CirrusMonkey said:
How possible is it to get the EMB out of LAX for a new hire?
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It's possible, but if you bid LAX you're likely to get the Saab. LAX runs senior, I hear.

You might try bidding a different base and risk commuting for a bit. Aircraft assignments are 14 month locks. A base can be bid every month.
 
ready2fly said:
You've said this twice, so I've got to ask: Where are the more senior guys going to go?

To another regional? To start over at the low-end? Doubtful.

I've flown with MANY of these "senior" captains and, for the most part, they are stuck. Many, MANY Eagle captains have 737 ratings, have interviewed with SWA more than once - and have gotten nowhere.

Many junioir captains have resumes in with other major airlines and are not getting calls.

Do you think the most senior captains will go to a major and take a paycut for several years (assuming you're talking about the captains, the FO's are an entirely different scenario)?

As for the FO's (speaking of that entirely different scenario): where do you think they are going to go? The legacies? Don't you think that better than 80% of them are trying to do just that right now but can't get in because they have no PIC??

It's not like these guys and gals have the pick of the litter of where they want to go, my friend.

I'm very interested in hearing your take. I'm not trying to slam you, but since you seem intent on pushing the issue that Eagle is falling apart, is a bad place to work and is not respected in the industry, I would like to hear some factual basis.


And what makes you think that Eagle is a disrespectful place to work? I know you said that you have two buddies who work for Eagle, but is that your only source of knowledge?

As someone who works for Eagle, I can say that, for the most part (with the exeption of scheduling) I've been treated with the utmost respect and have been treated extremely well.

If your friends have had different experiences, then I do feel for them, but my experience, and that of those I know, have differed tremendously.

Stan
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i think you might have mis-read my post. i said eagle and ASA were RESPECTABLE place to work. i think you might have mis-read that. both of my friends at eagle like it. one is on the saab and the other atr out of san juan. Every company has things to complain about and i wasnt saying anything negative about either company.

as for your questions. senior captains at eagle are trying to get out. Most i have met or talked to are trying to get over to the majors prior to the next downturn in the industry. Most have been there for around a decade and are worried about their future there. I am sure there are people who cant leave or dont want to leave for individual reasons but a majority are thinking of moving on. especially the younger folks. SWA is looking like less and less of an attractive position for many of these senior guys. Those in the pool there have been receiving letters asking them for the patience as they continue to wait in the pool. IF SWA was your only place to go then i think your in for a tough time with the reduction in expansion that they have announced.

as for the fo's. i dont know about your company but here at express many have been getting hired at the major or legacy level for awhile now. Many have decided to jump ship to mesaba, colgan, etc for quick pic time. Many of your fo's i know are applying to street ca positions at mesaba (or so says my friend on the saab). my company like yours is on unstable ground and many believe there are faster ways to the majors. people are leaving here much like they are leaving there.

ps. sorry if i ruffled your feathers. i never meant to say anything that could be construed as negative.
 
December 7, 2007

Eagle Pilots Warn that Breaking Up American Eagle Would Harm Employees And Passengers

Euless, TX – American Eagle pilots, a unit of the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l., have condemned AMR CFO Tom Horton’s public comments that he would consider selling off parts of American Eagle to interested buyers.

ALPA said that any deal that would separate all or part of Eagle from AMR to lower the wages of experienced pilots could cause many Eagle employees -- not only Eagle pilots, but also professional maintenance technicians and flight attendants -- to rethink their career choice at Eagle. It’s no secret that Eagle is currently having an extremely difficult time recruiting pilots. Being part of the AMR family provides stability, and without it, Eagle recruiting problems may be even more difficult as the busy holiday season approaches.

“Mr. Horton’s statements are irresponsible and cavalier. Splitting up Eagle flying would be a deal killer to our pilots,” said Captain Herb Mark, chairman of the American Eagle pilots’ union. “Our pilots do not want a return to the Eagle of the mid-1990s when four carriers made up Eagle and pilots were pitted against each other with no clear-cut work rules, different collective bargaining agents, and a lack of operational consistency.”

Dividing up American Eagle flying could potentially cause travel nightmares for the flying public in several cities the union said. The American Eagle route network is designed as one unit with a single goal—to feed American Airlines with the right aircraft on the right route. Dismantling that network would weaken American Airlines. Selling off routes or aircraft to existing carriers would also create a classic case of whipsawing—using one pilot group against another as leverage to drive down pay rates and alter work rules.

“Profit margins at regional carriers are already very slim. If managements try to take more from the labor groups, you will see a lot of pilots begin to leave the profession because the pay will be so low that working as an airline pilot will no longer be a worthwhile career choice,” said Captain Mark. “It’s not our responsibility to underwrite the profitability of airlines.”

He continued: “Lower costs must not come on the backs of pilots by leveraging experienced Eagle pilots against its competitors for work currently done by Eagle. Mr. Horton’s remarks have created uncertainty among our pilots and have become a huge distraction as they move passengers across the country this holiday season. We are already hearing from our pilots that they see little future at Eagle, and many are already making plans to seek employment elsewhere.”

ALPA approached the sales announcement with an open mind, but lacking a detailed plan, a clear leadership message, or the identity of an investor, it is impossible for the pilot group to think that this sale is a good thing.

Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world’s largest pilot union representing more than 60,000 pilots at 42 airlines in the U.S. and Canada. With more than 3,000 pilots, American Eagle is a wholly owned subsidiary of AMR (NYSE: AMR) and provides feed to American Airlines as well as point-to-point service in North and Central America and the Caribbean.


this was on the alpa crewroom website.
 
I wonder how many people actually know where Euless, TX is......I love it here....from my house in Euless I am 3.8 miles to DFW....2.5 miles to the training center. It would have been kinda foolish to go to another airline besides eagle.
 
MQAAord said:
Good 'ole Euseless? :bandit: Yeah, I know darn well where that is :) Spent many a night there when I was teaching at the schoolhouse.
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Euless is where I got my first speeding ticket.

Probably going to wind up buying a house somewhere in Euless.

It's amusing to me that a place that has been to some degree present in over a decade of my life.. is considered a point of esoterica to others.

:rolleyes:
 
I lived in Euless from 1983-1992. I went to Lakewood Elementary and lived on Timber Ridge Dr. From what I understand Euless is completely different now. It seems like a good place to buy a house, super cheap. We sold our house there for like 112,000 in 92, I saw that it was just sold this summer for 140,000. Not much of an appreciation in 15 years. But still way more affordable than where I am now in CT.
 
cfii2007 said:
Wow......a co-worker of mine has an upcoming interview.
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There is no ATP written. The so-called 'astronaut physical' is also a thing of the past.

Current interview consists of
Day 1:
1) Paperwork
2) A tech question session
3) A HR question session
4) Stewing for a while in the 'holding tank' room
5) A simulator evaluation, with appropriate instruction beforehand.

(The current gouges available online are spot on on this part..)

Day 2:
Report to AA medical and get fingerprinted, give a urine sample, and
take a hearing test. By the time I was filling out paperwork there,
I had my new hire letter.

Good luck to your friend!

Edit: Forgot to mention- No training contract. Pay during training is 64 hours/mo at block rate plus 16 hours per day per diem.
 
Firebird is spot on with the process. Only thing thats changed for Dec is some people get sim in the morning first and then go to HR, tech in the afternoon. Others go through just like firebird said; HR, tech and then sim.
 
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