Do FO's get to fly?

wildfreightess said:
Am I the only one who's thought of pleasing the captain between legs?

Kidding kidding, I'm only kidding! Mods, I understand if you wanna delete this one. It just needed to be said for the sake of humor!
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LMAO!...gotta love ya WF! :D I love smart girlfriends with a sense of humor!
 
USMC-SGT said:
Some airlines wouldnt type the FO if they werent going to be able to fly it. Kind of a waste of money
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What airlines give FOs unrestricted type ratings? I've got an SIC type, but that's only because it's an ICAO requirement for me to be able to fly to Canada. If they didn't need to, they wouldn't pay for anything but the bare minimum.

But yes, I do fly every other leg, or we go 2/2 like was mentioned earlier.
 
Keep in mind that in the corporate world it's not unknown to put a barely qualified, if that, second pilot on board. They are rarely allowed to fly the plane and then generally only when the plane is empty so their lack of practice is not noticed by the people paying for the plane.

I'm not saying all corporate depts. are like that, but I've known a few that are, and if your experience was limited to that world you might be surprised to find the airline actually training future captains, and not just radio monkeys.
 
sopdan said:
What airlines give FOs unrestricted type ratings? I've got an SIC type, but that's only because it's an ICAO requirement for me to be able to fly to Canada. If they didn't need to, they wouldn't pay for anything but the bare minimum.

But yes, I do fly every other leg, or we go 2/2 like was mentioned earlier.
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Good point...I know most regionals dont but whats the deal with say express jet who does canada trips. Are all FOs SIC typed or just a select few who do the CYYZ routes or how does that work. I cant imagine they just pick a few and type them but I also cant imagine they type the entire company.
 
USMC-SGT said:
Good point...I know most regionals dont but whats the deal with say express jet who does canada trips. Are all FOs SIC typed or just a select few who do the CYYZ routes or how does that work. I cant imagine they just pick a few and type them but I also cant imagine they type the entire company.
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All SIC type ratings for the situation you've asked about.
 
SIC types in my opinion are nothing more than a little bit more paperwork, if that answers your question. I don't think I went through any more training, or any harder of a checkride than I would've w/o getting the SIC type.

If Airline Y flies international, all FO's get "typed" so they can fly any trip.
 
sopdan said:
SIC types in my opinion are nothing more than a little bit more paperwork, if that answers your question. I don't think I went through any more training, or any harder of a checkride than I would've w/o getting the SIC type.

If Airline Y flies international, all FO's get "typed" so they can fly any trip.
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It's not just a matter of opinion - a SIC "type rating" is merely a paperwork exercise - at least in the Part 121 world. The existing SIC checkride is sufficient, so issuing the SIC type is just a matter of paperwork. I *ASSUME* all regionals that do any international flying or have thought one day about doing some international flying just typed all their SICs as a matter of routine.
 
NJA and most, if not all the fractionals, type every pilot from day one. Full PIC types. Afterward, each pilot attends recurrent sims every six months for 4-5 days.

And since it usually comes up.....No, our SICs don't log PIC time when they are PF. As a matter of fact, most probably aren't logging anything (other than req'd).
 
I know a well seniored wide body F/O that actually gets to log some PIC time on international flights. Legal restrictions on how long one person can sit at the controls and all.
 
Lead Sled said:
I know a well seniored wide body F/O that actually gets to log some PIC time on international flights. Legal restrictions on how long one person can sit at the controls and all.
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It's not legal to log that time... A. autoflight is engaged so that person isn't sole manipulator, and b. that person isn't the one signing for that flight, so they aren't "commander of record." So.... all that flight time they are logging as PIC is actually SIC.



For the record, I'm PIC typed in the 767 and 757- Southernjets PIC types all fleets except the 737 and MD-88.
 
Lead Sled said:
I know a well seniored wide body F/O that actually gets to log some PIC time on international flights. Legal restrictions on how long one person can sit at the controls and all.
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Ehh, probably not under part 121! :) If it's part 121, he might want to review the FARS a little.
 
Speaking of 121 checkrides, What do they test you on for your SIC FO 121 checkride? Is it basically like another Mulitiengine ride: (instrument approach, stall, engine failure..... etc), and how long do they typically last?

Just trying to get a general view of whats to come in the future. I'm also sure that all of the bases will be covered during training.

Jesse
 
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