SR22 Fatal Crash in MN.

skidz said:
makes me wonder how useful this parachute really is. :confused:
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The chute can be a a great tool! I think the biggest problem with the cirrus is the way the factory is teaching people to fly these planes. takeoff, and then punch that little button there and let the the plane fly itself!

I'm sorry, but as awesome as glass is (and I love flying with the G1000) you still have to know how to fly the %^#* airplane. that auto pilot does not have gusting cross wind mode!
 
mooneyguy said:
The chute can be a a great tool! I think the biggest problem with the cirrus is the way the factory is teaching people to fly these planes. takeoff, and then punch that little button there and let the the plane fly itself!

I'm sorry, but as awesome as glass is (and I love flying with the G1000) you still have to know how to fly the %^#* airplane. that auto pilot does not have gusting cross wind mode!
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You couldn't be more wrong. Cirrus puts pilots that are picking up their airplane through the ringer. They really put the pilot through a lot of training over a few days.
 
Champcar said:
You couldn't be more wrong. Cirrus puts pilots that are picking up their airplane through the ringer. They really put the pilot through a lot of training over a few days.
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I Hope I'm wrong, but it was first hand info (not me, I woudn't buy one even if I could afford it) that the "training" was geared around flying the auto pilot not the airplane.
 
FiveO said:
Someone please educate me. I'm not trying to sound like a you know what, but how do you determine that the engine checked fine in the post crash test when there was really nothing left of the plane?
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You can't and it didn't. The NTSB report doesn't say "engine was fine", it says things like "Each cylinder produced a thumb compression".

This only thing this means is there is no evidence of a major compression leak. The engine could be internally damaged and you can still produce thumb compression.
 
mooneyguy said:
I Hope I'm wrong, but it was first hand info (not me, I woudn't buy one even if I could afford it) that the "training" was geared around flying the auto pilot not the airplane.
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OK, I have to ask. Was it training for a new aircraft, or a used? Also was it with a CSIP and was it local to the owner, or in Duluth? PM me instead if you want to. Thanks
 
Champcar said:
You couldn't be more wrong. Cirrus puts pilots that are picking up their airplane through the ringer. They really put the pilot through a lot of training over a few days.
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I bet a couple days training sticks like glue to the average guy picking up a Cirrus too, eh? :)
 
jon applespeed said:
You can't and it didn't. The NTSB report doesn't say "engine was fine", it says things like "Each cylinder produced a thumb compression".

This only thing this means is there is no evidence of a major compression leak. The engine could be internally damaged and you can still produce thumb compression.
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Actually, in most plane crashes the only thing that resembles an airplane part is the engine, and it is usually surprisingly intact. You can tell a lot from an engine that produces spark, has fuel, has continuity from the hub to the accessory gears, and produces thumb compression. You can also look at the prop blades to determine whether the engine was producing power at the time of impact. I went out on a few accidents with the investigator that is conducting this investigation and trust me he does a thorough job with everything.
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
** A C24R landed gear up….
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I'm pretty sure this airplane is sitting at 3CK with all three prop tips curled back.

CSIP training is okay, but it's not overwhelming. They do emphasize the autopilot perhaps too much. I have a few hundred hours flying them, and I don't think that they are too difficult. They're difficult to slow down without advance planning, and I can't stand the way they approach power management. As to useful load, they aren't great. The turbo Cirrus can take 4 people and about 37 gallons of gas. The non turbo models get another hundred or so pounds. Max takeoff on the 22 is 3800 lbs.
 
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