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Also the badge of international flying as well... it's just easier to carry a backpack... doesn't necessarily belong on the shoulder of a pilot but if its connected to the luggage.

Exactly. But, that's not what we're talking about. Its the guys strolling the concourse with the backpack slung over their shoulder and the iPod buds in their ears. No hat. No jacket.

Sit in any Regional Airline's gate area and you'll see them very quickly.
 
It is terrible that you view my statements about customer service as "corporate propaganda." This job is all about customer service... I think most pilots forget that, and focus on less important things like hats and backpacks.

Customer service is great, and I'm very big on treating the customers well, but all the customer service in the world isn't going to make up for that bad first impression. Studies have shown that it's virtually impossible to break a bad first impression, and your passengers are making a first impression about you based simply on what they see when you walk up to the gate. They don't know about your flying skills, your experience, or your customer service skills. All they see is a young guy dressed like the Fonz. That's a hard first impression to break, no matter how good your customer service skills are. You're a representative of your company, and more importantly, your profession. How you handle customer relations is certainly important to how your represent your profession, but it all starts with your initial appearance.
 
I'm still failing to see what's immature about leather jackets. For Pete's sake, our union fought for years to get us leather jackets, and they seem quite popular so far. I think they look fine.

I agree. We pioneered the leather jacket look. Its very popular with both pilots and passengers. I just saw the Air Tran brown leather A2 model in the airport recently. It looks sharp as hell. Of course the pilot wearing it had his hat on and the rest of his uni looked sharp, too. No backpack, no iPod.

Just a professional aviator going to work.
 
Another point.

In the summer blazers are not required, and I can't think of anybody that was wearing them in the summer.
 
Customer service is great, and I'm very big on treating the customers well, but all the customer service in the world isn't going to make up for that bad first impression. Studies have shown that it's virtually impossible to break a bad first impression, and your passengers are making a first impression about you based simply on what they see when you walk up to the gate. They don't know about your flying skills, your experience, or your customer service skills. All they see is a young guy dressed like the Fonz. That's a hard first impression to break, no matter how good your customer service skills are. You're a representative of your company, and more importantly, your profession. How you handle customer relations is certainly important to how your represent your profession, but it all starts with your initial appearance.

If your assessments are so true, then why hasn't Southwest tanked out? I don't know that they have blazers there. I've only seen those guys in leather jackets and you guessed it, no hats.
 
Sorry boss, but I look pretty young, and to tell you the truth I look like a 17 year old trying to play dress up in my uniform. I'm 25, I still have acne (it's something I've been trying to fix since I was about 13, with spotty results) and I look like I'm 17 at best.

You can only put so much lipstick on a pig, I'm gonna look young no matter what I do.

Yes, you'll still look young, but it's a matter of looking more mature. Spiked hair and a leather jacket don't scream maturity. Sticking to the traditional air line pilot uniform does.
 
Another point.

In the summer blazers are not required, and I can't think of anybody that was wearing them in the summer.

They're not required by anyone. We don't require a jacket in warm weather climates any time of year (Mexico, SoCal, Florida). We do require a hat everywhere. Everyone knows it and about 50% comply.

Listen, this job is good enough that if the boss wanted me to wear a pink bunny suit, I'd do it. And the boss wants us to wear our hats.
 
I agree. We pioneered the leather jacket look. Its very popular with both pilots and passengers. I just saw the Air Tran brown leather A2 model in the airport recently. It looks sharp as hell. Of course the pilot wearing it had his hat on and the rest of his uni looked sharp, too. No backpack, no iPod.

Just a professional aviator going to work.

I agree that the leather jacket looks a hell of a lot better when paired with the hat. I'm still not a big fan of it, but the hat and the rest of the uniform can pull it together.
 
I think the hat looks better with the blazer. Pair it with the jacket, and you're Rommel re-incarnated. Might be different depending on the shape and style of the hat, but that's the way the hat here at PCL looks.

Sure, it's great when the CA shows up in a blazer and hat, thus giving the passengers the warm fuzzies. However, what if this guy is a complete tool and unsafe to boot? Are they gonna be less dead if he does something stupid b/c he looks the part? For that fact, like I said before, I could go to Sporty's, place a couple hundred dollar order, stroll up to the gate, and passengers would think "Oh, that's our CA. My, he looks nice." Truth be told, I could be a construction worker, but they THINK I'm a professional pilot. I've never bought 100% into the "perception is reality" thinking. Those that totally pass judgement on looks are the ones that get misled easily by shiny objects. I try to take the whole picture approach when I look at situations. Would you buy a new car just b/c it looked clean with a good paint job? Hell, it might not even have an engine in it! There are plenty of nicely painted airplanes here at PCL that LOOK professional and well maintained, and some of them have a stack of MELs on them.
 
Yes, you'll still look young, but it's a matter of looking more mature. Spiked hair and a leather jacket don't scream maturity. Sticking to the traditional air line pilot uniform does.

We'll just agree to disagree. You can choose to wear the traditional uniform, and I'll choose to be comfortable yet professional.
 
When I was hired by US Airways they had a campaign known as "Impressions of Excellence" that was implemented due to extensive research of our core customer.

The general consensus was that airline passengers sacrifice control in order to take advantage of air transportation. They can't say, "Stop the bus! I want to get off!". They have to trust that the flightcrew is safe, professional, and conservative.

The psychology of the situation is, whether it be right or wrong, that first impressions will dictate how the passenger perceives you.

My personal opinion is that airline pilots should wear the traditional airline pilot uniform including the hat. They should be clean-shaven with a conservative haircut. If your airline allows you to waver from that professional image in order to allow you to wear a leather jacket and throw away the hat -- I might ask "Why?"

Those who know me also know that i'm extremely ANTI-ALPA... but even Ican see that "dumbing down" flightcrew experience will result in the traveling public's perception that this person is worth less. I believe it is a negotiation tactic. Maybe i'm wrong. But you never see a picket line with a bunch of yahoos in leather jackets listening to Ipods walking along.

So imagine this:
You're going in to the hospital for surgery that may save your life ... or end it. You are scheduled to meet the surgeon and he walks in wearing an AC/DC t-shirt, torn blue jeans, a pierced lip, and blue hair... oh, and he's listening to his ipod.

Do you trust this individual with your life? Or would you feel more comfortable with the traditional stereotypical Doctor outfit? (shirt, tie, labcoat, etc)

You have been wrongly convicted of a crime and you are standing in court facing the jury when your lawyer shows up wearing a similar outfit to that above. He speaks with poor grammar and in general presents himself poorly.

Would you prefer that attorney, or the more traditional brand?

Sure, our passengers buy tickets based on the lowest price. But we've learned over time that they're afraid. They're afraid of turboprops -- that's why you're all flying RJs. They're afraid of turbulence. They're afraid of ice. They're afraid of thunderstorms.

They have sacrificed all control over their lives to you. And the ONLY way that they can determine how good of a pilot you are ... is to evaluate your attention to detail in the way you present yourself.

If you are clean cut, professional, and "look the part" of the professional airline pilot. They believe that you take that same care and effort in the way you fly your airplane.

If you look like slob or a high-school dropout, then THAT perception will become their reality too.

Is it fair? Probably not. Is it fair that you chose not to go out with an overweight woman in college because she wasn't "your type"? No. But perception is reality.

I'm no longer an airline pilot. But I am a frequent flier now. I'm not going to lie to you guys. I'm PETRIFIED to go fly on RJs these days!! Why? Partly because thanks to reading message boards like this I know you guys are listening to Ipods in flight. Partly because I know how little total-time is in the flight deck and that, perhaps, the Captain may have never deiced before because he upgraded so fast...

But mostly because I SEE you guys walking through the terminal and my perception of your appearance is not one of excellence. You may be Chuck Yeager in the airplane, but we -- your customers -- don't PERCEIVE you that way.

Is that right of me? No. And I know better.... but what about Joe and Cindy Tourist who fly once a year. They only have one way to judge your flying skill and determine if they trust you...

Put the hat and blazer back on and get a haircut. I don't care if you look 17. But you darned well better wear the legacy of airline pilot with pride.

Sincerely,
A Corporate pilot who no longer has to wear hats, jackets, or ties. :P
 
You don't care how much you make? I think we have a class starting next week in MEM :buck:
I also have no clue what your getting at with your last line????? Im not gonna "just deal" with sub-standard pay because its a "fun" job(which it is most of the time).

Originally Posted by MFT1Air
Here is perhaps a perception to some if you don't know. IMAGE! It's one of those perceptions passengers have and perceive when they look into the cockpit and see those individuals whose life is now in my hands.

Call it life. . .call it reality. Don't be mad; just deal with it.

Perception is reality. . .if you look like a bum and many perceive you as a bum. . .you're bum! Period. . .is it right? Is it wrong? It's reality. If you don't like it, tough. . .deal with it?

Now, help me please?

Im not gonna "just deal" with sub-standard pay because its a "fun" job

What is "sub-standard" pay? More importantly, who are you comparing pilot's pay to for you to consider it sub-standard?
 
When I was hired by US Airways they had a campaign known as "Impressions of Excellence" that was implemented due to extensive research of our core customer.

The general consensus was that airline passengers sacrifice control in order to take advantage of air transportation. They can't say, "Stop the bus! I want to get off!". They have to trust that the flightcrew is safe, professional, and conservative.

The psychology of the situation is, whether it be right or wrong, that first impressions will dictate how the passenger perceives you.

My personal opinion is that airline pilots should wear the traditional airline pilot uniform including the hat. They should be clean-shaven with a conservative haircut. If your airline allows you to waver from that professional image in order to allow you to wear a leather jacket and throw away the hat -- I might ask "Why?"

Those who know me also know that i'm extremely ANTI-ALPA... but even Ican see that "dumbing down" flightcrew experience will result in the traveling public's perception that this person is worth less. I believe it is a negotiation tactic. Maybe i'm wrong. But you never see a picket line with a bunch of yahoos in leather jackets listening to Ipods walking along.

So imagine this:
You're going in to the hospital for surgery that may save your life ... or end it. You are scheduled to meet the surgeon and he walks in wearing an AC/DC t-shirt, torn blue jeans, a pierced lip, and blue hair... oh, and he's listening to his ipod.

Do you trust this individual with your life? Or would you feel more comfortable with the traditional stereotypical Doctor outfit? (shirt, tie, labcoat, etc)

You have been wrongly convicted of a crime and you are standing in court facing the jury when your lawyer shows up wearing a similar outfit to that above. He speaks with poor grammar and in general presents himself poorly.

Would you prefer that attorney, or the more traditional brand?

Sure, our passengers buy tickets based on the lowest price. But we've learned over time that they're afraid. They're afraid of turboprops -- that's why you're all flying RJs. They're afraid of turbulence. They're afraid of ice. They're afraid of thunderstorms.

They have sacrificed all control over their lives to you. And the ONLY way that they can determine how good of a pilot you are ... is to evaluate your attention to detail in the way you present yourself.

If you are clean cut, professional, and "look the part" of the professional airline pilot. They believe that you take that same care and effort in the way you fly your airplane.

If you look like slob or a high-school dropout, then THAT perception will become their reality too.

Is it fair? Probably not. Is it fair that you chose not to go out with an overweight woman in college because she wasn't "your type"? No. But perception is reality.

I'm no longer an airline pilot. But I am a frequent flier now. I'm not going to lie to you guys. I'm PETRIFIED to go fly on RJs these days!! Why? Partly because thanks to reading message boards like this I know you guys are listening to Ipods in flight. Partly because I know how little total-time is in the flight deck and that, perhaps, the Captain may have never deiced before because he upgraded so fast...

But mostly because I SEE you guys walking through the terminal and my perception of your appearance is not one of excellence. You may be Chuck Yeager in the airplane, but we -- your customers -- don't PERCEIVE you that way.

Is that right of me? No. And I know better.... but what about Joe and Cindy Tourist who fly once a year. They only have one way to judge your flying skill and determine if they trust you...

Put the hat and blazer back on and get a haircut. I don't care if you look 17. But you darned well better wear the legacy of airline pilot with pride.

Sincerely,
A Corporate pilot who no longer has to wear hats, jackets, or ties. :P


Damn, that was a good post.
 
I wear the sweater because the blazer isn't that warm. On the saab it's makes a differnce. If I was flying different equipment I would dress differently. Hair is buzzed short enough were headset hair isn't a problem so I don't wear the hat. I have all my shirts tailored because it's only 5 bucks a shirt and they fit and look so much better. I don't look as oldschool as some, but definatly not as sloppy as a lot either. Thats kind of the way I like it. No one should be able to remember who I was.
 
I wouldn't, I'm a horrible skier and I've only lived here since August. I know a lot more about CRM, raw data approaches, Socrates and how to dress professionally than I do skiing.

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Sooocrates!!!

If I was sitting in the gate waiting on an ExpressJet flight and saw a Captain walk up with spiked hair and a leather jacket, I would be getting up and walking to my backup flight, even if it meant waiting another hour.

I guess our realities are different. Yours bordering on paranoia perhaps? While I don't like spiky frosty hair either, I would need to see some irrational behavior before I bailed.

Damn, that was a good post.

Agreed!

After perusing through this thread, I think a lot of us could go round and round on our perception of what looks professional and what looks dorky, stupid or immature.

Pilots can wear the leather jacket, blazer, hat, no jacket, etc., as long as they look good and carry themselves well. I agree that we need to look professional in the eyes of the flying public, but accomplishing that can be done in more than one way. I for instance look like a joker in a leather jacket. It is a blazer for me and shined shoes. And sometimes the hat if the mood so strikes me.

One thing for sure, my FOs will not be wearing iPods while walking in the terminal with a messy uniform and looking like a dirty college freshman.

However, when we are tucked away in a quiet corner of the terminal waiting for a 3 hour delay sure as hell we can both be relaxing with the earbuds in! Personally, I will be listening to a little Dropkick Murhpys ;)
 
While I don't like spiky frosty hair either, I would need to see some irrational behavior before I bailed.

As far as I'm concerned, spiky frosted hair is irrational behavior on an air line pilot, or any other professional for that matter. I wouldn't see a doctor, hire a lawyer, go to a dentist, etc... that gelled his hair up and frosted it like some high school kid. Flip the TV over to CSPAN. See any politicians or their assistants with spiked frosty hair? Didn't think so. Flip over to CNBC and watch for the next shot of the trading floor at the NYSE. See any traders with spiked frosty hair? Didn't think so, either. If we want to be treated and viewed as professionals, then we need to act and look the part. Looking like some kid from a 90s boy band doesn't fit the bill.
 
What is exactly 'gelling' the hair up in your view? Should I cut a bunch of pictures out of mens magazines and have them approved by you? Ah forget it, I don't want to get into semantics on men's hairstyles :)
 
What is exactly 'gelling' the hair up in your view? Should I cut a bunch of pictures out of mens magazines and have them approved by you? Ah forget it, I don't want to get into semantics on men's hairstyles :)

If you're using gel to contort your hair into some unnatural shape (spiked, for example), then it's gone too far. Nothing wrong with some gel to keep from getting headset hair, but using it to "sculpt" your hair is just too Justin Timberlake for a professional.
 
Those who know me also know that i'm extremely ANTI-ALPA... but even Ican see that "dumbing down" flightcrew experience will result in the traveling public's perception that this person is worth less. I believe it is a negotiation tactic. Maybe i'm wrong. But you never see a picket line with a bunch of yahoos in leather jackets listening to Ipods walking along.


Ipods no. Leather jackets, yes. Although I probably just tossed another one in your anti-ALPA bag with that.

So, are you all in agreement that SWA looks unprofessional? 'Cause I don't see passengers jumping ship b/c they don't trust them and are afraid for their lives in a t-storm. I'll agree that there's an image problem at the airlines, particularly at the regionals. However, I don't think making everyone where the hat and blazer is gonna fix it. Seriously. The reason most of these guys look bad is b/c they don't care. Odds are if you have them wearing a blazer it's gonna be insanely wrinkled and the hat will be dented to hell. Now, you've only changed the problem, not solved it. Until people start caring about their appearance and acting like professionals, you can dress them up however you want and get the same results. If the guy strolls up to the ticket counter passengers aren't gonna say "Well, he's wrinkled, dishelved and hasn't shaved....but he's wearing a hat. We'll be okay." They'll say "He looks like he just rolled out of bed," which is the same thing they would say if we wasn't wearing a hat.

This is starting to boil down to personal preference and people projecting what they THINK the public likes and looks for. Zap, when was the US Airways survey done? If it was when you were hired at US Airways, then that was probably close to a decade or more ago. Public perception has changed a LOT since then. jetBlue didn't even exist and the LCC were just starting to scratch their way into the marketplace (with the exception of SWA). That changed a LOT of the way passengers think about flying. I don't think we can point to a report that old and say "This is what people think." Now, if someones got a more up to date marketing report, then I might re-think my position. Otherwise, we're all just spouting opinions at each other.
 
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