Observations from an outsider

depot_jr

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Like many of us here, I've dreamt and thought of a career in aviation. More specifically, flying. I've had my PPL for a few years now and I may or may not proceed further. One of the things that gives me pause is what seems to be the state of the profession.

I own a business, and until 2 1/2 years ago I flew commercially as a passenger 6-8 times per month. Unlike a lot of business travelers, I actually enjoyed flying. Whenever I would schedule a flight, I would always choose a window seat. I had to sit by the window so I could stare out and take in all the wonder that flying would bring. Childishly, I'm still bothered to this day when people close the blind on their window. My family and I still travel commercially about a half dozen times a year, but for business travel(I typically travel a four state area) I fly a DA40. There's a couple of reasons for this. First, DUH...why wouldn't I fly myself. Secondly, and more important, I'm nervous about the low times many of these PICs and SICs have. Some of them don't even look like they're old enought to have a driver's license!! It's really not about their age. It's mostly about their inexperience and the route many of them took to become a pilot.

Many of these F/O have less than a thousand hours total time. Of those, many have 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 hundred hours. Alot of office personnel that I hire can't even be taught to be proficient at cash application or AR/AP in 4 or 5 hundred hours! How can one reasonably expect to be competent and proficient at flying a sophisticated jet in that amount of time? They can't. Not to what I would deem competent and proficient. In today's society, so many people have the "I WANT IT NOW" mentality. I won't get into where that comes from here. That would take too long. Here's where all of this is heading. We've all heard or overheard people saying "There are no shortcuts in life." That is simply not true. There are shortcuts available to us all. And every single one of them comes at a price. For many beginning pilots these days, a shortcut is available. It's called an overpriced flight school. Who will pay the price? Maybe just the pilot. Maybe the pilot's mommy and daddy. Maybe the pilot's spouse and children. Or the worst case scenario. Maybe the pilot, his flight crew, and 50 or 70 or 90 passengers on his flight. There is no doubt in my mind that the day(s) for the last scenario is/are coming. That's why I fly myself as much as possible these days. When my family and I fly commercially, we fly on a major. Not a regional. I want to know that the people in the cockpit are competent and professional and experienced.

In the end, what's my advice to anyone looking to become a professional pilot? EARN IT. Treat your profession professionally. Just finishing college? Get a decent job and gain experience and time flying at your local FBO from trained PROFESSIONALS. Career changer? Don't quit your day job until you've earned an appropriate amount of experience and time flying at your local FBO. Spoiled brat whose mommy and daddy will pay for anything you want???? That's a topic for a different forum on another day. In the end I just want people to think about the price they, and potentially, many others will pay for their shortcuts. It's not worth it. Aviation is a profession. Treat it accordingly, and the carriers will have no choice but to improve the pay and quality of life for their PROFESSIONALS.

Just some of my thoughts and opinions. These are not statements of fact. And if you disagree with anything I've said, well, you're wrong...:)
 
Good ideas, but not practical in today's flying industry. With fewer and fewer people having the resouces to get the licenses and fewer military guys getting out, the Regionals are forced to rely on low timers as co-pilots. Usually, you have an experienced Captain on board to keep the newbie from making fatal errors.

However, there are some Regionals where you can upgrade in as little as a year with 1000 total hours. Those are the scary ones. And most passengers are blissfully ignorant of who has their hands on the throttles.
 
"With fewer and fewer people having the resouces to get the licenses"

Resources? They'll pay 40 or 50 or 60K to go to a ridiculously overpriced school with inferior instructors but they won't pay 1/3 to 1/2 of that at their local FBO. Oh, and by the way, receive better instruction. It's the "I want it now" syndrome at work here. Improving your profession is not an overnight proposition. It's a battle for hearts and minds that will take years. Just trying to point out some of the flaws.
 
That's just impossible.

Anyhow, I remember talking to an ex-ASA guy who upgraded in 3 months pre-9/11. This isn't any different than back then.

Yes, but prior to 9/11 you had to have about 1500 hours of instructing experience just to get hired at a regional. I'm not a big proponent of the idea that instructing is such great experience, but it's better than nothing and teaches at least a little bit of decisions making and judgment. Guys can get hired now at 500 hours total time, build a 1000 hours in just over a year at their regional, and then upgrade into the left seat of a high-performance airplane. It's just plain scary.
 
Sorry, I mistyped. He had 1000 hours at Great Lakes and upgraded in 12 or 13 months as I recall.

So how is that scary? Over a year on the line, 1000+ hours in type (in a 1900 none the less). That seems safe to me. Mesa didn't have any issues when they were putting ab-initio guys into the 1900 and having them upgrade in 18 months.
 
Yes, but prior to 9/11 you had to have about 1500 hours of instructing experience just to get hired at a regional. ...Guys can get hired now at 500 hours total time, build a 1000 hours in just over a year at their regional, and then upgrade into the left seat of a high-performance airplane. It's just plain scary.

I guess we just see things differently. I'd rather (as a pilot) have 1000 hours in an aircraft, flying it over the course of a year over different weather conditions while learning the ropes, then get hired at 1500 hours from CFI'ing and upgrade in 2-3 months.
 
So how is that scary? Over a year on the line, 1000+ hours in type (in a 1900 none the less). That seems safe to me. Mesa didn't have any issues when they were putting ab-initio guys into the 1900 and having them upgrade in 18 months.

The 1900 is a much simpler aircraft than the jets we fly, but they're flying down in the crap, with no moving map, no GPS and no autopilot. It takes a much better pilot to fly the 1900 than it does to fly a jet.
 
I guess we just see things differently. I'd rather (as a pilot) have 1000 hours in an aircraft, flying it over the course of a year over different weather conditions while learning the ropes, then get hired at 1500 hours from CFI'ing and upgrade in 2-3 months.

I find both situations to be inherently unsafe and undesirable. Pinnacle had upgrade mins of 3500 TT, lowered to 3000 TT with time in type. I thought those to be reasonable minimums. I might feel comfortable with 121 Captains getting their first upgrade at 2500 TT with time in type, but anything less is just asking for trouble.
 
Personally, I'd be a bit leery of getting in a 1900 with a 1500 hour Captain and flying into some little town in the Rockies. You may have a year of experience under your belt, but often it takes multiple winters to see everything a mountainous region can throw at you.
 
I find both situations to be inherently unsafe and undesirable. Pinnacle had upgrade mins of 3500 TT, lowered to 3000 TT with time in type. I thought those to be reasonable minimums. I might feel comfortable with 121 Captains getting their first upgrade at 2500 TT with time in type, but anything less is just asking for trouble.

I am unsure if you have any proof to support this..... I know of guys with 3500TT and their Turbine PIC who are now off to legacy carriers... Some of the best damn aviators out there..... Now they are flying the heavy metal after they got their upgrades at regionals.... They never once had an accident, report or complain of anything questionable.... Just seems like a far fetch assumption and we all know what happens when you assume.
 
I am unsure if you have any proof to support this..... I know of guys with 3500TT and their Turbine PIC who are now off to legacy carriers... Some of the best damn aviators out there..... Now they are flying the heavy metal after they got their upgrades at regionals.... They never once had an accident, report or complain of anything questionable.... Just seems like a far fetch assumption and we all know what happens when you assume.

Wait until you actually get up front and you'll know what he's talking about, Paul. 3,500 hours ain't that much when it comes down to it.
 
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