SR22 Fatal Crash in MN.

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By Courtney Blanchard, Star Tribune

Last update: November 25, 2007 – 11:54 PM

Four people were killed Sunday afternoon when a small plane crashed at the municipal airport in Faribault, Minn.

Early in the afternoon, a spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration said four people were aboard and at least two had died. Faribault police later said no one had survived, and the Ramsey County medical examiner said late Sunday it had received the remains of four crash victims. The identities of the victims were not released.

The single-engine, four-seat Cirrus SR 22 went down shortly before 3 p.m. Sunday on a runway at the airport, which is near Interstate 35 and Hwy. 21.

"There's very little left," Faribault Police Chief Dan Collins said from the scene. He speculated that wind gusts above 20 miles per hour might have contributed to the crash.

Smoke snaked from the charred debris at the crash site, and a white parachute that appeared to be still tied shut lay behind it. The aircraft was hardly recognizable except for a few large white pieces of its outer shell.

FAA investigators were expected to arrive in Faribault this morning.

The plane, whose tail number was N 482 SR, was registered to Mayo Aviation in Aberdeen, S.D., according to the FAA. Mayo Aviation has no connection to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, a clinic spokesman said.

An FAA spokesman said the pilot had not registered a flight plan. Neither the FAA nor the Rice County Sheriff's Department would say if the plane was taking off or landing.

The SR 22 is a more powerful version of the Cirrus SR 20 made by the Cirrus Design Corp. of Duluth. Each plane is equipped with a large parachute that can be deployed in an emergency to lower the entire aircraft to the ground, according to CirrusDesign.com.

Dale Klapmeier, vice chairman of Cirrus Design, declined to comment Sunday night, saying that he could not do so until the FAA investigates.

The National Transportation Safety Board reported that since 2002, the SR 22 has been involved in 17 accidents resulting in 35 fatalities.

At least two of those fatal crashes were in Minnesota. In 2005, three people died in a crash near Arco, Minn. The plane was headed from Wayne, Neb., to Minneapolis when the pilot lost radar contact and became disoriented, eventually losing control of the plane, according to the NTSB. In 2004, two people died when their plane lost altitude during a turn and crashed into the woods near Hill City, Minn., according to the NTSB.

Among those who have died in SR 22 or SR 20 accidents was New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle, who was killed along with his flight instructor when his Cirrus SR 20 crashed into a New York high-rise on Oct. 11, 2006. That crash was caused by pilot miscalculation during a U-turn, the National Transportation Safety Board ruled in May.

The Associated Press contributed to this report. Courtney Blanchard • 612-673-7921

Courtney Blanchard • cblanchard@startribune.com
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JEP said:
trying to save keystrokes, didn't think I had to spell it out for you, Capt.....


useful load? is that better?

how about how much weight can the plane carry?
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About 11-1200 lbs useful load. I believe they only hold about 80 gallons of fuel. Planes fly over weight. They don't fly below Vs and out of control. They pull the shoot late so I'm assuming a classic traffic pattern stall to spin. Put all the modern things you want on GA aircraft you still must have competent people to operate them.
 
WalterSobchak said:
They pull the shoot late so I'm assuming a classic traffic pattern stall to spin. Put all the modern things you want on GA aircraft you still must have competent people to operate them.
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I think that's a lot to assume, considering the very limited reports from the scene.

It *might* have been a classic stall/spin accident, or it *might* have been a number of other things. The pilot *might* have been competent, or he *might* not have been. Frankly, at this point, we don't know.

I'll wait for the NTSB to do their job.
 
Those killed in the crash include descendants of the Mayo Clinic founders:

Dr. Chester W. P. Mayo, who ran Orthopedic Surgery Specialists in Aberdeen, S.D., piloted the single-engine, four-seat Cirrus SR 22 that went down Sunday. His son and two others were also killed.
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jrh said:
I think that's a lot to assume, considering the very limited reports from the scene.

It *might* have been a classic stall/spin accident, or it *might* have been a number of other things. The pilot *might* have been competent, or he *might* not have been. Frankly, at this point, we don't know.

I'll wait for the NTSB to do their job.
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Obviously he wasn't competent. 10 and a million, beautiful day over the airport and he ends up in a fireball on the airport. A little breezy, but nothing a competent pilot can handle.

KFBL 252216Z AUTO 20010G15KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2978 RMK AO2
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[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 252016Z AUTO 19013G25KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2978 RMK AO2[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 251956Z AUTO 20017G25KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2979 RMK AO2[/FONT]
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WalterSobchak said:
Obviously he wasn't competent. 10 and a million, beautiful day over the airport and he ends up in a fireball on the airport. A little breezy, but nothing a competent pilot can handle.

KFBL 252216Z AUTO 20010G15KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2978 RMK AO2
KFBL 252157Z AUTO 19011G17KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2977 RMK AO2
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 252136Z AUTO 19012G22KT 10SM CLR 09/M04 A2977 RMK AO2[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 252116Z AUTO 20010G21KT 10SM CLR 09/M04 A2977 RMK AO2[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 252056Z AUTO 19015G22KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2977 RMK AO2[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 252036Z AUTO 20015G21KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2978 RMK AO2[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 252016Z AUTO 19013G25KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2978 RMK AO2[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 251956Z AUTO 20017G25KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2979 RMK AO2[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 251936Z AUTO 19013G24KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2979 RMK AO2[/FONT]
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Maybe the wings fell off?
 
WalterSobchak said:
Obviously he wasn't competent. 10 and a million, beautiful day over the airport and he ends up in a fireball on the airport. A little breezy, but nothing a competent pilot can handle.

KFBL 252216Z AUTO 20010G15KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2978 RMK AO2
KFBL 252157Z AUTO 19011G17KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2977 RMK AO2
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 252136Z AUTO 19012G22KT 10SM CLR 09/M04 A2977 RMK AO2[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 252116Z AUTO 20010G21KT 10SM CLR 09/M04 A2977 RMK AO2[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 252056Z AUTO 19015G22KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2977 RMK AO2[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 252036Z AUTO 20015G21KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2978 RMK AO2[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 252016Z AUTO 19013G25KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2978 RMK AO2[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 251956Z AUTO 20017G25KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2979 RMK AO2[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 251936Z AUTO 19013G24KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2979 RMK AO2[/FONT]
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"Damnit Walter" (The Dude's voice), *edited*
Obviously you've never lost a buddy in a plane wreck...
 
I vote that people who jump to ridiculous conclusions after an accident should receive a vacation from the board. If you weren't there, you don't know what happened until the NTSB says so.
 
Waaayyy to early to make any judgement calls on why it happened.

I have not flown a SR22 for a few years, but as I recall they can fly with 4 normal sized pax with several hours of fuel, no problem.
 
WalterSobchak said:
Obviously he wasn't competent. 10 and a million, beautiful day over the airport and he ends up in a fireball on the airport. A little breezy, but nothing a competent pilot can handle.
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Yeh, because on a CAVU day it's impossible to mort one..*
 
Turns out that the girl who died in the crash was my friend's granddaughter.

:(

Always sucks when it hits home like that.
 
WalterSobchak said:
KFBL 252216Z AUTO 20010G15KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2978 RMK AO2
KFBL 252157Z AUTO 19011G17KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2977 RMK AO2
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 252136Z AUTO 19012G22KT 10SM CLR 09/M04 A2977 RMK AO2[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 252116Z AUTO 20010G21KT 10SM CLR 09/M04 A2977 RMK AO2[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 252056Z AUTO 19015G22KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2977 RMK AO2[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 252036Z AUTO 20015G21KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2978 RMK AO2[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 252016Z AUTO 19013G25KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2978 RMK AO2[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 251956Z AUTO 20017G25KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2979 RMK AO2[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KFBL 251936Z AUTO 19013G24KT 10SM CLR 08/M04 A2979 RMK AO2[/FONT]
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Seem like pretty stiff gusts to me. Flyable of course, but a 25 kt x-wind might have put the pilot off his game.

I wonder why we see so many accidents in Cirruses--if there really are a lot, or if we just pay more attention to them? Up at the Hartford AOPA convention, I saw a Cirrus driver take out 4 other planes while taxiing.

In any event, RIP. It's very sad.
 
The Cirrus handles cross winds really well. It's sleek design really seems to help it out, you just don't feel it like you would in a Cessna.
 
Champcar said:
The Cirrus handles cross winds really well. It's sleek design really seems to help it out, you just don't feel it like you would in a Cessna.
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When I was flying the SR20 I found that there really wasn't anything that was particularly difficult about that plane.
 
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