Using ANR in the 121 world

New news... If your headset is not tso'd, do not use it with a fed on board, they have orders to crack down and have the discression to violate. From my FSDO friend...
 
I'm willing to bet like most things that have to do with the FAA it'll depend on the inspector and it'll depend on the FSDO.
 
My director of flight standards does, I called the other guy to confirm.

I am just trying to be helpful, as I said my DFS warned me because my headset is not tso'd. I'm not happy about having to get a new set.
 
The non-TSO'ed headseat is actually verboten at my airline as well. Feds and line check airmen love that stuff! ;)
 
Whenever I fly into Mexico is sounds like they're talking into tin cans attached to strings that are run up to the airplane.

I don't think their tin cans are TSOed. Somebody should violate them.
 
I am new to the 121 world, so please correct me if I'm wrong...and like I said I'm new so I may very well be. Example:

You are using your lightspeeds in the cockpit of a 121 aircraft whose FOM says a headset must be tso'd. Your headset isn't. A fed is riding jumpseat and notices this. Can he/she not pursue action?
 
MattB said:
ESF, I'm just passing along what I have heard first hand. Not trying to start anything.
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I know, no worries.

I really don't think there is anything to worry about, though. If you read the interpretation I liked to above, there are very few cases where a TSO'ed headset is actually required- individual company policy is one of the few, and if that's been your company's policy, it shouldn't come as a surprise now.
 
That's the conventional wisdom at my airline.

Lemme dig around on the flight ops site for a reference.
 
You know I think if a fed gave me too much crap about it I'd probably apologize, ask him for a reference on what he's talking about so I can look it up and not make the same mistake again and then grab a pair of the company provided David Clark's and continue with the trip.

Seems like a fairly reasonable thing to do if you ask me, and I've found most feds to be fairly reasonable if you're not a complete •.
 
Ahh, here it is. Now this is from Southernjets so I'm not sure if it applies at carriers universally:

TSO Headsets
Pilots are reminded that only TSO certified headsets are authorized for use by the FAA in Delta aircraft. A TSO - or Technical Standards Order - is a document the FAA uses to qualify a component attesting it has certain performance, capabilities, or standards. A vendor who qualifies a component to a TSO avoids a portion of certification expense as well identifies it meets FAA criteria specified in the TSO itself.

All components, as a function of TSO compliance, must identify TSO compliance on a permanent label. If a headset does not identify the TSO, it most likely does not comply. Owners need to contact the manufacturer to be certain.
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Harder do hear our chimes without the ANR. The FAA is just running out of things to violate people for that's all.
 
jtrain609 said:
Whenever I fly into Mexico is sounds like they're talking into tin cans attached to strings that are run up to the airplane.
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Didn't you know? The centers are run out of the controllers' houses. That's why you always talk to the same guys and gals all hours of the day and night.
 
That's interesting the SouthernJets requires a TSO certified headset. There are lots of headsets out there that meet the TSO requirements but aren't certified. From the FAA response ESF posted it sounds like as long as the headset meets the requirements of the FARs AND can revert to passive noise canceling and broadcast upon the loss of battery AND it meets the requirements of your company's FOM/GOM then you are good to go.
 
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