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Say what you will, but Jonathan Ornstein is a pretty shrewd guy. I've met him and chatted with him. He's got some pretty big ideas.

He was single-handedly responsible for the currnt codeshare relationships beween mainline airlines and their regional partners, having initiated Mesa's codeshare with United. He invented the industry. Keep in mind that Larry Risley, the founder and CEO of Mesa at the time, was against the idea. All of us who work for a regional, look forward to working for a regional, curse the days that we used to work for a regional or have ever found themselves using the term "scope clause" have Mr. Ornstein to thank.

He likes motorcycles.

So Mesa is in position to exploit the burgeoning China market. Who else is even pursuing this? It takes vision to see how the company can benefit from this venture. Look what he did for the Hawaii market. The state was clearly underserved by the carriers already there. By bringing in some competition, passengers benefit with reduced fares on every carrier. Only an airline with the efficiency of Mesa's could do what they did. Vision.


Pilots at Mesa and perhaps other airlines have a variety of views on the man. Pay, quality of life and such are often topics of conversation, but really, are the pilots any different from any employees at Mesa? Are the professional mechanics at Mesa benefitting from their employment at the expense of the pilot staff? How about the In Flight department? Training department? Travel Bureau? Mesa's efficiency is across the board.

So...wait for it...say what you will
 
blimpguy said:
So Mesa is in position to exploit the burgeoning China market. Who else is even pursuing this? It takes vision to see how the company can benefit from this venture. Look what he did for the Hawaii market. The state was clearly underserved by the carriers already there. By bringing in some competition, passengers benefit with reduced fares on every carrier. Only an airline with the efficiency of Mesa's could do what they did. Vision.
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He's doing that because he's going to lose all the UAL flying Mesa does. It's not "innovative" inasmuch as it is "don'tgooutofbusiness-ive"
 
Chris_Ford said:
He's doing that because he's going to lose all the UAL flying Mesa does. It's not "innovative" inasmuch as it is "don'tgooutofbusiness-ive"
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It could also be that he knows that they are going to lose the Hawaiian lawsuit and be enjoined from operating Go for one year. At least he doesn't put all the eggs in one basket.
 
Doesn't change the fact that he is a Dbag in terms of managers, and labor relations.

He can rot in hell. I'm sure I'll see him there eventually.
 
Chris_Ford said:
That's speculation, the UAL thing is fact :)
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Unless he knows they broke the law and it's only a matter of time before the truth gets out. How would he know that? It was probably his idea to do it in the first place. The whole porn thing is a smokescreen. He set up the CFO and is now throwing him under the bus. The guy is the regional equivalent of Lorenzo.
 
surreal1221 said:
Doesn't change the fact that he is a Dbag in terms of managers, and labor relations.

He can rot in hell. I'm sure I'll see him there eventually.
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I agree completely. Except that I don't think you'll see him there. He will have his own parking space deep in the hottest bowels somewhere. Plus, you don't seem like such a bad guy.

Stalin was a shrewd guy too, but I wouldn't care to praise him.
 
blimpguy said:
Say what you will, but Jonathan Ornstein is a pretty shrewd guy. I've met him and chatted with him. He's got some pretty big ideas.

He was single-handedly responsible for the currnt codeshare relationships beween mainline airlines and their regional partners, having initiated Mesa's codeshare with United. He invented the industry. Keep in mind that Larry Risley, the founder and CEO of Mesa at the time, was against the idea. All of us who work for a regional, look forward to working for a regional, curse the days that we used to work for a regional or have ever found themselves using the term "scope clause" have Mr. Ornstein to thank.

He likes motorcycles.

So Mesa is in position to exploit the burgeoning China market. Who else is even pursuing this? It takes vision to see how the company can benefit from this venture. Look what he did for the Hawaii market. The state was clearly underserved by the carriers already there. By bringing in some competition, passengers benefit with reduced fares on every carrier. Only an airline with the efficiency of Mesa's could do what they did. Vision.


Pilots at Mesa and perhaps other airlines have a variety of views on the man. Pay, quality of life and such are often topics of conversation, but really, are the pilots any different from any employees at Mesa? Are the professional mechanics at Mesa benefitting from their employment at the expense of the pilot staff? How about the In Flight department? Training department? Travel Bureau? Mesa's efficiency is across the board.

So...wait for it...say what you will
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JO, man is that you... you doin' your own PR now to save a buck?
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
JO, man is that you... you doin' your own PR now to save a buck?
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Well, I have to say, I'm disappointed. In an hour of boredom on a Monday morning, I thought I'd start a wee bit of controversy. I come back a few hours later to only a handful of replies. I guess I lost my bet with myself.

Mr. Jenius, it appears you are the only one to have picked up on my subtle sarcasm.

For anyone not familiar with Jonny O, stay away! Stay way away! I have indeed met Mr. O on several occasions. The first of which, he seemed like the shining hope that Mesa so desparately needed after years of Risley tyrany. On his introductory tour of the company, he assured me and the training department that we could go ahead with our expansion and hiring plans. Already very overworked, we had just fought to double the number of instructors; the instructors were already hired. So, not even 24 hours after Jonny assured us all was well, Mike Lutz showed up to lay off 50% of the existing staff. Mike Lutz, VP of the Ax.

Needless to say, as one of the now severly overworked instructors, I lost any hope with JO. After a couple of more opportunities to speak with him, I finally just asked him, "Are you planning on growing this company or cutting it up and selling it off like Frank Lorenzo?" There must have been 30 new-hires there at the time, so he had to keep smiling. I turned in my resignation that day, by the way.

If you're ever curious about what got me into flying blimps, two years at Mesa made anything outside of the airline biz attractive. Blimping was an excellent way to recover.

Thanks Max for getting it.:laff:
 
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