PUSH/OUT/OFF/ON/IN - What do you LOG?

C150J

C150J

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Just curious as to what people log... I know some places don't have a "PUSH" time. I've been logging OUT to IN, not that logging PUSH to IN would really pad a logbook (I think our average is about 4 minutes).
 
OUT is when the brakes are released. In is when the brakes are set and the main cabin door is open and engine oil pressure is zero.

We log OUT to IN.
 
Velocipede said:
OUT is when the brakes are released. In is when the brakes are set and the main cabin door is open and engine oil pressure is zero.

We log OUT to IN.
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Not exactly true for all places. For example, where J works Push is when the brakes get released (and doors closed, but that's assumed)...but out is when there is green oil pressure on at least one engine and nose wheel steering is turned on.

It goes back to the definition of FAR block time - movement of the aircraft under its' own power.

I get around 4-5 hours of push a month, so it is significant. I just log the FAR block time (out to in), I don't include push. In reality, nobody really cares...unless you bump up against the 30/7 or 100/30 stuff. Here if you log push to in there's a chance your logbook will make it appear as though you went over flight time limits on the rare occasion you fly a lot.

I think J's company is the only one that logs a separate push time though.
 
Every airlne's ACARS is different. I log OUT to IN. For our ACARS (we don't have PUSH), an OUT is generated when all the doors are closed and the brakes are released. An IN time is generated when the brakes are set and the main cabin door is opened. That's a little misleading, it actually captures two times for IN. For FAR legalities and DOT, it captures the first door. For pay, it captures the main cabin door.
 
No ACARS, so we give our times to Station Ops. It's when the door closes and when in opens again. So we are always 15min early and 14min late;);););):sarcasm:
 
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