The Effects of an Unsat PC

Coney

Coney

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During a trip yesterday, the captain I flew with informed me that his upgrade PC was unsatisfactory on his first attempt. He seemed very thorough, clean-cut and by-the-book throughout our trip, so this information surprised me a bit. I then began to quietly wonder what effects the failed PC will have on his career, since he aims to fly for a mainline carrier in the future.

Can anyone offer knowledgeable insight on this?
 
As long as he doesn't have a long history of busting checkrides and owns up to it when asked about it in an interview it shouldn't be a problem
 
As long as he doesn't have a long history of busting checkrides and owns up to it when asked about it in an interview it shouldn't be a problem
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Why, is this information normally public knowledge like an FAA checkride.
 
Checkrides at a 121 and 135 Carrier are included in the Pilot Record Improvement Act.

You bust one it is like an FAA pink slip.
 
Coney said:
During a trip yesterday, the captain I flew with informed me that his upgrade PC was unsatisfactory on his first attempt. He seemed very thorough, clean-cut and by-the-book throughout our trip, so this information surprised me a bit. I then began to quietly wonder what effects the failed PC will have on his career, since he aims to fly for a mainline carrier in the future.

Can anyone offer knowledgeable insight on this?
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Delta didn't care that I busted my first type ride in the E-120 at ASA back in the day. Nothing like trying to do a no-flap, NDB, circle to land, at night to an active runway. As long as you don't try to cover it up or not take responsibility for messing up, they are OK with it. After all, Mav and Iceman don't really exist.
 
I would think that most lifelong professional pilots, over the course of a 30-40 year career will almost assuredly recieve an unsat on a training event at some point. Luck plays enough of a factor in things such as: who your examiner is, how familiar you are with a certain procedure you may be tested over, what kind of mood your exainer is in, personal problems going on in your life, that eventually the stars will probably align and set even the best pilot up to fail.

Personally, I haven't had a failure yet but I attribute that almost as much to luck as I do to skill and effort. One or two failures will probably not matter during most interviews, things like work experience and education far outweigh the condition of your training records within reason.
 
I had one.

The only effect was a weekend of waiting to do a couple of things over and a "training" sim (low threat) at six months that isn't normally done.

Nearly two years later, nobody seems to know the difference.....
 
Dunno, just what I was told at my last job.

I.E. Busting a ride will stay on your PRIA forever, but Amflights "Uneligible for rehire" will only stick around a handful of years.
 
Alchemy said:
I would think that most lifelong professional pilots, over the course of a 30-40 year career will almost assuredly recieve an unsat on a training event at some point. Luck plays enough of a factor in things such as: who your examiner is, how familiar you are with a certain procedure you may be tested over, what kind of mood your exainer is in, personal problems going on in your life, that eventually the stars will probably align and set even the best pilot up to fail.

Personally, I haven't had a failure yet but I attribute that almost as much to luck as I do to skill and effort. One or two failures will probably not matter during most interviews, things like work experience and education far outweigh the condition of your training records within reason.
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This all very true. I'm yet to bust anything but at some point I would think that it's possible. Take responsibility and move on. I don't think anyone will look at you unfavorably as long as you own up to it and don't try to pass the blame off on someone else like the examiner.
 
It's all about attitude. There are only a couple reasons hiring boards ask such questions:

1) Are you an ego-maniac that will blame everyone but yourself for your failure?
2) Are you a liar? PRIA doesn't have this information - the FAA does in a "blue ribbon file," but that takes months to obtain. HOWEVER, your airline training records contain performance evaluations (which are under PRIA).
3) Are you a legitimate training liability? Have you established a huge pattern of failing behavior that would cost the company money and man power?

I can't tell you how many SUCCESSFUL, GOOD pilots I've run into with failures. Most contend that it forced them to become better aviators and more professional... dealing well with failure and setbacks in this industry is very important. I've also met a minority of pilots that have never failed anything and are cocky. At the extreme end of that spectrum is Lt Col Arthur "Bud" Holland, who never failed a checkride but managed to ball up a B-52 during an airshow practice. There were MANY other variables in that crash but I strongly believe overconfidence in ability played a role.
 
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