Colgan LGA Lines

[PILOT]

A lot of guys do and a lot of guys don't. Glad you like it. What happens though if it is closed?

What are you askin here? 'What happens if it is closed?' is a ridiculously broad question.

As for the 'A lot of guys do and a lot of guys don't' thing, I did a lot of research (I know that probably sounds crazy) & weighed the outstation basing heavily in my decision to come here. Everyone else should have too.

 

[Cruise]

What are you askin here? 'What happens if it is closed?' is a ridiculously broad question.

As for the 'A lot of guys do and a lot of guys don't' thing, I did a lot of research (I know that probably sounds crazy) & weighed the outstation basing heavily in my decision to come here. Everyone else should have too.

I hope you voted! Without a voice in our future.....PCL is going to impose it's will on us. Obviously, that being said, just because we have ALPA in place....won't necessarily stop them from ending outstation basing. But, guaranteed without ALPA, we won't have a say in any part of our future!

Vote today, don't delay!

 

[amorris311]

i hope your not mocking us!

no i really do. i am doing my training right now with a lot of guys that talk nothing but #### about tp's. i try to explain to them that there was the tp before the rj. no one seems to believe me. i am being honest as hell when i say that i am going to drop the app at colgan as soon as i hit the mins. jets will be there for the rest of my career. no need to race to one right now.

long live the TP's

 

[kellwolf]

What are you askin here? 'What happens if it is closed?' is a ridiculously broad question.

Real world situation: Us Air (or whoever operates out of that city) decides it's not profitable to operate out of there. Now, the base is closed. With Colgan doing outstation basing you now have two options, move or work a two leg commute. It's not a fantasy of base closures in aviation, it's a reality. Ask the Comair guys who drove to work based in MCO. I've lost count of how many base closures/switches Mesa/Air Midwest has done in the past few years.

 

[Seggy]

What are you askin here? 'What happens if it is closed?' is a ridiculously broad question.

As for the 'A lot of guys do and a lot of guys don't' thing, I did a lot of research (I know that probably sounds crazy) & weighed the outstation basing heavily in my decision to come here. Everyone else should have too.

Not really broad based. Ask the guys in ABE, LEB, CMH, among others what happens when the base closed. They open and close routinely. What about the thousands we miss out of yearly per year on per diem that is tax free? Ever try calling in sick when there is no coverage? Or your base closes and you have a three legger with no commuter clause to get to work.

 

[PILOT]

Not really broad based. Ask the guys in ABE, LEB, CMH, among others what happens when the base closed. They open and close routinely. What about the thousands we miss out of yearly per year on per diem that is tax free? Ever try calling in sick when there is no coverage? Or your base closes and you have a three legger with no commuter clause to get to work.

No, they don't open & close routinely. I mean, you could say that but it's pretty far from accurate.

ABE isn't closed.
LEB isn't closed.
They tried CMH for a couple of months, it didn't work out, & they're closing it. Hardly routine.

As for the per diem, I think you must be confused as to what exactly per diem is for. It's purpose is to cover expenses associated with working away from home. They don't pay us for it because they don't owe it to us, however we do get it when we qualify for it.

I've never actually called in sick, but I am covering for someone tomorrow morning because of a sick call. No big deal. This is the second crewmember sick call at my base this week & we've had zero problems. People get sick and companies deal with it.

I couldn't do the commuting thing. Even when we try to travel on days off I'm always real hesitant and usually make the trip back to base 2 days before my next show. That, of course, is just me though. I know people who don't even break a sweat when a flight is oversold by 10. Until I'm more comfortable with the non-rev/jumpseating thing (and more specifically its' reliability) I'll just live where I work.

That's why I mentioned the research I did prior to choosing Colgan in that last post. I believe finding a company with decent bases is as important a factor as anything else.

I've gotta go but there's my two cents. Sorry you don't like the outstation basing.

 

[Cruise]

No, they don't open & close routinely. I mean, you could say that but it's pretty far from accurate.

ABE isn't closed.
LEB isn't closed.
They tried CMH for a couple of months, it didn't work out, & they're closing it. Hardly routine.

As for the per diem, I think you must be confused as to what exactly per diem is for. It's purpose is to cover expenses associated with working away from home. They don't pay us for it because they don't owe it to us, however we do get it when we qualify for it.

I've never actually called in sick, but I am covering for someone tomorrow morning because of a sick call. No big deal. This is the second crewmember sick call at my base this week & we've had zero problems. People get sick and companies deal with it.

I couldn't do the commuting thing. Even when we try to travel on days off I'm always real hesitant and usually make the trip back to base 2 days before my next show. That, of course, is just me though. I know people who don't even break a sweat when a flight is oversold by 10. Until I'm more comfortable with the non-rev/jumpseating thing (and more specifically its' reliability) I'll just live where I work.

That's why I mentioned the research I did prior to choosing Colgan in that last post. I believe finding a company with decent bases is as important a factor as anything else.

I've gotta go but there's my two cents. Sorry you don't like the outstation basing.

Nope, ABE isn't closed....but it's been reduced by half. Tell most of the pilot who were "based" there their life hasn't been altered recently. Don't bother trying to explain your twisted version....as I am formerly ABE based. Trust me when I tell you lives have been altered by the reduction in our presence in ABE.

LEB IS closed....yes, we still fly there, but as of Sept. is is no longer a "base" for us. Ask those who live there and fly the Beech how their lives will be affected. No one knows just yet, but rest assured, things are changing for them.

Good on you for doing you research....unfortunately, the information you obtained is all subject to change in the near future. Go ahead and continue to tell yourself otherwise......I'll still feel bad for you when YOUR life is impacted by the changes coming our way! Here's to company Kool-Aid, drink up!!!!!

 

[sigpilot]

Nope, ABE isn't closed....but it's been reduced by half. Tell most of the pilot who were "based" there their life hasn't been altered recently. Don't bother trying to explain your twisted version....as I am formerly ABE based. Trust me when I tell you lives have been altered by the reduction in our presence in ABE.

Cruise and I were both based in ABE. We went from 8 crews to 3. For FO's it went from 8 to 1 because of 2 check airmen based there. It totally sucked to finaly hold a good line to doing TDY in PIT with 7 days off, all standup overnights, and 28hrs flight time!!

 

[Cruise]

Cruise and I were both based in ABE. We went from 8 crews to 3. For FO's it went from 8 to 1 because of 2 check airmen based there. It totally sucked to finaly hold a good line to doing TDY in PIT with 7 days off, all standup overnights, and 28hrs flight time!!

Yeah SIG.......I didn't get affected by the reduction of flying as bad as others since I was #1 FO at the time. But I know you, and many others, got royally hosed! Sorry about that! Glad to see you'll be sitting pretty in LGA starting next month.

 

[sigpilot]

Yeah SIG.......I didn't get affected by the reduction of flying as bad as others since I was #1 FO at the time. But I know you, and many others, got royally hosed! Sorry about that! Glad to see you'll be sitting pretty in LGA starting next month.

Yea they just better keep the lines like they are! (atleast until i upgrade of course )

 

[sigpilot]

I couldn't do the commuting thing.

Do you plan on being an airline pilot your whole career? Its gonna happen when you dont expect it. I was all settled in ABE and things were going good and I got the rug pulled out from under me. The company didnt even tell us about it, we saw it on our bids for the next month. Hmmmm why are there only 3 lines??? My point is, don't be shocked when it does happen

 

[JCUERVO]

No, they don't open & close routinely. I mean, you could say that but it's pretty far from accurate.

ABE isn't closed.
LEB isn't closed.
They tried CMH for a couple of months, it didn't work out, & they're closing it. Hardly routine.

As for the per diem, I think you must be confused as to what exactly per diem is for. It's purpose is to cover expenses associated with working away from home. They don't pay us for it because they don't owe it to us, however we do get it when we qualify for it.

I've never actually called in sick, but I am covering for someone tomorrow morning because of a sick call. No big deal. This is the second crewmember sick call at my base this week & we've had zero problems. People get sick and companies deal with it.

I couldn't do the commuting thing. Even when we try to travel on days off I'm always real hesitant and usually make the trip back to base 2 days before my next show. That, of course, is just me though. I know people who don't even break a sweat when a flight is oversold by 10. Until I'm more comfortable with the non-rev/jumpseating thing (and more specifically its' reliability) I'll just live where I work.

That's why I mentioned the research I did prior to choosing Colgan in that last post. I believe finding a company with decent bases is as important a factor as anything else.

I've gotta go but there's my two cents. Sorry you don't like the outstation basing.

You do realize that in your definition of what per diem is...You are technically away from home all day...Which is why MOST regionals even on day trips give their crews per diem!...The way pay and benefits have been raped in the regionals, every little bit $$ counts don't you think PILOT?...BTW VOTE YES!

 

[frog_flyer]

What are you askin here? 'What happens if it is closed?' is a ridiculously broad question.

As for the 'A lot of guys do and a lot of guys don't' thing, I did a lot of research (I know that probably sounds crazy) & weighed the outstation basing heavily in my decision to come here. Everyone else should have too.

You have my vote of confidence because you have a basic grasp of the english langueage.

ps, seggy, i heart you. Tell you gf "sup, baby girl," for me.

 

[Seggy]

No, they don't open & close routinely. I mean, you could say that but it's pretty far from accurate.

ABE isn't closed.
LEB isn't closed.
They tried CMH for a couple of months, it didn't work out, & they're closing it. Hardly routine.

As for the per diem, I think you must be confused as to what exactly per diem is for. It's purpose is to cover expenses associated with working away from home. They don't pay us for it because they don't owe it to us, however we do get it when we qualify for it.

I've never actually called in sick, but I am covering for someone tomorrow morning because of a sick call. No big deal. This is the second crewmember sick call at my base this week & we've had zero problems. People get sick and companies deal with it.

I couldn't do the commuting thing. Even when we try to travel on days off I'm always real hesitant and usually make the trip back to base 2 days before my next show. That, of course, is just me though. I know people who don't even break a sweat when a flight is oversold by 10. Until I'm more comfortable with the non-rev/jumpseating thing (and more specifically its' reliability) I'll just live where I work.

That's why I mentioned the research I did prior to choosing Colgan in that last post. I believe finding a company with decent bases is as important a factor as anything else.

I've gotta go but there's my two cents. Sorry you don't like the outstation basing.

So you are saying that it is ok for them to expect us as employees to sign leases, move to a new city, and then expect to live month to month if that base is going to be open to 'give it a try' like CMH?

Every other airline gives per diem for day trips.

Regardless glad you like outstation basing. Different strokes for different folks and glad you found that here.

You say that you jumpseat home two days before you return to work. Wouldn't it be nice to have a commuter clause so you didn't need to worry about that?

Do you really think this outstation basing is going to continue? Take a look at the bases they recently opened IAH, PIT, EWR LGA. Look at the signing of Lodgex as a hotel vendor. The stars are lining up for changes.

 

[Airdale]

So you are saying that it is ok for them to expect us as employees to sign leases, move to a new city, and then expect to live month to month if that base is going to be open to 'give it a try' like CMH?

Every other airline gives per diem for day trips.

Regardless glad you like outstation basing. Different strokes for different folks and glad you found that here.

You say that you jumpseat home two days before you return to work. Wouldn't it be nice to have a commuter clause so you didn't need to worry about that?

Do you really think this outstation basing is going to continue? Take a look at the bases they recently opened IAH, PIT, EWR LGA. Look at the signing of Lodgex as a hotel vendor. The stars are lining up for changes.

Yer my hero Seggy!!! I luv yer backhair!!



In all seriousness though, if I wasn't based on ALB, I don't know how the hell I'd still be working here. Any other base, besides HPN, would be a 2-3 leg commute for me. My wife would divorce me in a heartbeat. And I'm not packing up camp and moving to another state/city for a Regional Airline that pays me less then $20k a year. Hell no!!!! You want me to be at your beckin call? You want me to move to the base? Well then you better pay up.

I'm a military guy, so my mentality is this. The Airlines don't own me, and I don't owe them anything. I work to live, not live to work. I enjoy my job, but I'm not going to live like Oscar the grouch in a garbage can having to spend half my salary just to get to work. Hell, I've still got a few years to go back to the Coast Guard, I wouldn't think twice. Roof over our head, food on our table, free medical care, time off and a paycheck in my wallet.

Money in my pocket - Time Off with my Wife. Thats all I ask in return for taking responsibility along with the Captain, to get passengers safely from point A to point B. Too much to ask for?


Outstation basing = Teh Suck.

 

[wheelsup]

You say that you jumpseat home two days before you return to work. Wouldn't it be nice to have a commuter clause so you didn't need to worry about that?

A quick note - I'm not sure how others commuter clauses are written, but here you must be trying to jumpseat from your home to your domicile. If you are in England and miss the commute to work it wouldn't cover you, per your example.

 

[TebPilot]

I've been trying to get information about the outstation basing for about a month now. While in recurrent training, 2 seperate department directors told me that it is going away, probably by the end of the year. Phone conversations with our CP and a VP left me with the impression that this is only a rumor and Colgan has no intention of removing outstation basing. It's very hard to know who to believe. I think that they are afraid to reveal their plans because so many people joined Colgan primarily because of the live at home concept. They would probably lose a lot of pilots if they moved to a hub system, something they can not afford right now.

 

[Cruise]

I've been trying to get information about the outstation basing for about a month now. While in recurrent training, 2 seperate department directors told me that it is going away, probably by the end of the year. Phone conversations with our CP and a VP left me with the impression that this is only a rumor and Colgan has no intention of removing outstation basing. It's very hard to know who to believe. I think that they are afraid to reveal their plans because so many people joined Colgan primarily because of the live at home concept. They would probably lose a lot of pilots if they moved to a hub system, something they can not afford right now.

Personally, I'd be very careful what I believe coming from management at the moment. With the whole ALPA drive and PCL running the show now....they're in a very touchy spot. Things ARE going to change (it's already begun). The management-type people will say anything at the moment to prevent civil unrest w/in the company.

 

[Seggy]

A quick note - I'm not sure how others commuter clauses are written, but here you must be trying to jumpseat from your home to your domicile. If you are in England and miss the commute to work it wouldn't cover you, per your example.

Good point. Depends how it is written. Some just say two flights from any were to get to domicile to get to a trip. Some even cover driving to work.

 

[Seggy]

Phone conversations with our CP and a VP left me with the impression that this is only a rumor and Colgan has no intention of removing outstation basing.

Just like I was told during the first day that Colgan would NEVER sell the company again like they did to Presidential Airways back in the 1980s...

Take a look at Pinnacle Airlines when the management team took over. They were outstationed based. Moved to hubs within two years.