Any members here get hired?

Yeah...I found out what you guys are getting paid...and they wonder why turnover is so great. I haven't gotten a single raise since I started here and I already make more than a UND stage instructor who teaches 414. And they reimburse me $40/mo for my cellphone bill. So I ask, those of you who are done with school and able to leave....why?!?!?
 
belliott said:
where do you instruct 61? crookston? I'll give you kudos for widening your view but really guys why stay at UND when there are so many jobs available elsewhere? The journey through aviation to the high and mightey major airline job should be an adventure... not a bore... gotta go... I have some clouds to seed!
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KCKN and GFKFS, UND for the multi students :D
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Yeah...I found out what you guys are getting paid...and they wonder why turnover is so great. I haven't gotten a single raise since I started here and I already make more than a UND stage instructor who teaches 414. And they reimburse me $40/mo for my cellphone bill. So I ask, those of you who are done with school and able to leave....why?!?!?
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I don't think the turnover is great because of the wages - I think it's because most UND kids want the shiny jet job with the airlines hiring at such low mins...and they're fleeing for it. I don't think they care about getting paid $10/hr for instruction when they were making $5.15 serving cafeteria food the week prior to getting hired... which is sad. I don't know, maybe it's a combination of the low wages and opportunities with the regionals (which are just as bad in pay anyway).

What I don't understand is why people see it perfectly fine to be working at those wages for such a skill-intensive job. It's not difficult to find a minimum of $17-20 hour "big part 141 flight school" CFI job elsewhere. Let's see, CFI wages 80% higher in San Diego than a CFI job at UND while cost of living in San Diego only increases 41% (using my living situation here in San Diego compared to similar living situation in Grand Forks as an example). Similar examples in locations with higher wage to cost-of-living ratios are all over the US (FL, TX, CA, WA, AZ, etc come to mind). The obvious choice (if you are graduated) is to rule out instructing at UND and instruct somewhere else.

Anyway... let people make their own decisions I guess. :confused:
 
JaceTheAce said:
I don't think the turnover is great because of the wages - I think it's because most UND kids want the shiny jet job with the airlines hiring at such low mins...and they're fleeing for it. I don't think they care about getting paid $10/hr for instruction when they were making $5.15 serving cafeteria food the week prior to getting hired... which is sad. I don't know, maybe it's a combination of the low wages and opportunities with the regionals (which are just as bad in pay anyway).

What I don't understand is why people see it perfectly fine to be working at those wages for such a skill-intensive job. It's not difficult to find a minimum of $17-20 hour "big part 141 flight school" CFI job elsewhere. Let's see, CFI wages 80% higher in San Diego than a CFI job at UND while cost of living in San Diego only increases 41% (using my living situation here in San Diego compared to similar living situation in Grand Forks as an example). Similar examples in locations with higher wage to cost-of-living ratios are all over the US (FL, TX, CA, WA, AZ, etc come to mind). The obvious choice (if you are graduated) is to rule out instructing at UND and instruct somewhere else.

Anyway... let people make their own decisions I guess. :confused:
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The $10.50/hr rate is for part-time instructors or what they call "Student Intern Instructors". This is for the folks that have their CFI but have to finish school and can take on 1-2 students for the semester. Starting pay increases 57% for someone who has graduated and has a CFII teaching instrument students.
 
mokulele said:
The $10.50/hr rate is for part-time instructors or what they call "Student Intern Instructors". This is for the folks that have their CFI but have to finish school and can take on 1-2 students for the semester. Starting pay increases 57% for someone who has graduated and has a CFII teaching instrument students.
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you also have to consider when you graduate you get full medical (in my case family coverage for me and my wife)....... FREE!!! that saves us around 400-500/month
 
What incentive does UND have to raise flight instructors pay significantly. They just raised it slightly in the past two years. Flight instructors are a dime a dozen out there. I agree with the whole flight internship theory. A couple of years ago it was not necessary to hire any instructors who were still students. The school did it more or less as a service. Besides if they increase instructor rates its going to increase the cost of flight instruction for students. Is it still less than $50/hr or has it increased? Plus it is guaranteed multi time.

So i don't get sacked as drinking the koolaid. I packed up my stuff and moved to Maryland instead of waiting around. Right now I'm on track for 100 hours this month. I don't regret going to UND and not going the 61 route ever. There is a lot of knowledge at UND that you can't get from a King or CPC book. i.e. Trapnell, Lovelace, Skrammy, Foltz. Fly outside of the bubble and stop being a whiny p#$$y!
 
Bignellyxx said:
Fly outside of the bubble and stop being a whiny p#$$y!
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Cheers to that. Speaking of outside the bubble, I'm actually not looking forward to having the ADIZ shrink. It keeps the people who don't know what the hell they're doing out of W29. That and now its gonna be busy as hell and everybody is going to steal our parking spots.
 
mokulele said:
The $10.50/hr rate is for part-time instructors or what they call "Student Intern Instructors". This is for the folks that have their CFI but have to finish school and can take on 1-2 students for the semester. Starting pay increases 57% for someone who has graduated and has a CFII teaching instrument students.
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Correct. But, if you are on a full-time schedule but aren't yet graduated (maybe you are taking ONE class and are 3 credits short), you will be on the $10.50/hr rate. You should be earning $16.00/hr regardless, the rate that you earn after you are graduated. It's not a matter of "requiring a degree" - it makes no difference in the quality of flight instruction, degree or not.

This is unfair for those who are stuck at UND finishing a degree and want to make use of the CFI certificate they earned a few semesters ago in order to remain current in flying. But, if one doesn't like it all you have to do is not instruct at UND.
 
BuickCFI said:
you also have to consider when you graduate you get full medical (in my case family coverage for me and my wife)....... FREE!!! that saves us around 400-500/month
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But no domestic partner benefits. *YAY for 30 years behind the times*

(sorry for the side note and noting the stark difference between ND and the rest of the world)
 
Bignellyxx said:
What incentive does UND have to raise flight instructors pay significantly. They just raised it slightly in the past two years. Flight instructors are a dime a dozen out there. I agree with the whole flight internship theory. A couple of years ago it was not necessary to hire any instructors who were still students. The school did it more or less as a service. Besides if they increase instructor rates its going to increase the cost of flight instruction for students. Is it still less than $50/hr or has it increased? Plus it is guaranteed multi time.

So i don't get sacked as drinking the koolaid. I packed up my stuff and moved to Maryland instead of waiting around. Right now I'm on track for 100 hours this month. I don't regret going to UND and not going the 61 route ever. There is a lot of knowledge at UND that you can't get from a King or CPC book. i.e. Trapnell, Lovelace, Skrammy, Foltz. Fly outside of the bubble and stop being a whiny p#$$y!
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:yeahthat: Oh, Foltz... that guy was a great teacher.
 
BuickCFI said:
ND is a conservative state
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Understatement of the year.

Sorry Jace, but you got another 20 years before you can get equal rights in ND. Didn't they just recently get rid of the cohabitation ban? I'm convinced that the DC9 that took me to and from GFK was actually a time machine.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Understatement of the year.

Sorry Jace, but you got another 20 years before you can get equal rights in ND. Didn't they just recently get rid of the cohabitation ban? I'm convinced that the DC9 that took me to and from GFK was actually a time machine.
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Haha yeah they finally did, but it barely passed. I wasn't surprised.
 
I'm instructing here because I have another year of school and might as well get a little experiance while I finish up school. As long as I don't do anything silly financially, I'll have the moving truck running in the parking lot, packed and ready to go during graduation.
 
i found out my schedule :D no idea of who specifically but i know what 6 labs i will be teaching, and they are awesome labs :D
 
I'm still sitting here with nothing. :( But you're the first person I've heard get assigned students, so I'm not bummed out yet.
 
UAL747400 said:
I'm still sitting here with nothing. :( But you're the first person I've heard get assigned students, so I'm not bummed out yet.
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they aren't on my crewlink yet. i had an inside source......

anyway, i saw your car today, you drove right by me when i was grabbing my gear from my friends car for the bike
 
BuickCFI said:
they aren't on my crewlink yet. i had an inside source......

anyway, i saw your car today, you drove right by me when i was grabbing my gear from my friends car for the bike
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Ah, I didn't see you. I was getting pretty irritating that no one was letting me go through. haha :)
 
i have people on my crewlink now :D 1 more student i didn't have originally too, i now have 7 :D:D

3-415 students in the SR20
3-325 students
1-414 student (not qualified though for 14 more days so i am not sure how well that will work)

should be a fun semester!
 
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