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Chewie von Nubbins said:
RickyRhodesII can chime in on this one, as he is one of the controllers there and he also flies at the same school that I am flying at. Rude...oh, I don't think so. Those military trainers eff up our pattern all day long.
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hey! I resemble that remark! (Actually, we DO mess up the pattern at GTR like nobody's business!) Not really mess it up, per se, but it is tough to sequence C172's at 100 knots on downwind and tweets and T-6's at 200...

Not to mention student radio calls! aarrghh.
 
I like to get on with Whiteman approach when I'm training as the AFB is only 10 miles away. I've had numerous encounters with T-38's. I also almost a mid-air with a B-2 while on with approach. You should be on with ATC, but you still need to watch out for the traffic, especially since you can't hear them.
 
cmsuav8r said:
I like to get on with Whiteman approach when I'm training as the AFB is only 10 miles away. I've had numerous encounters with T-38's. I also almost a mid-air with a B-2 while on with approach. You should be on with ATC, but you still need to watch out for the traffic, especially since you can't hear them.
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Ahhh - I miss talking to Whiteman Approach!!:D
 
Ian J said:
I guess I don't see where your going with all this. Do you really think the OP is wrong for not monitoring 121.5? Is this a hot-button issue with you for some reason?
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Yes, absent a valid reason to be on a different frequency (an OPERATIONAL need), he would be in violation of an FAA directive (which is actually from the underlying ICAO directive). Do you not see that as a problem?
 
mtsu_av8er said:
Ahhh - I miss talking to Whiteman Approach!!:D
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Yeah they have some cool people over there. It seems like they get a lot of new people through there though, because every once in a while I will get one that seems like they don't know what they are doing.
 
mtsu_av8er said:
Yeah, that happens a lot. Don't they do some ATC training there?
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It really feels like it at times when they stumble all over their radio calls and you feel like you have to help them out. It doesn't bother me though because it is just cool to fly in the same airspace as the B2's
 
seagull said:
Yes, absent a valid reason to be on a different frequency (an OPERATIONAL need), he would be in violation of an FAA directive (which is actually from the underlying ICAO directive). Do you not see that as a problem?
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I see what you are saying. You're right.
 
fish314 said:
hey! I resemble that remark! (Actually, we DO mess up the pattern at GTR like nobody's business!) Not really mess it up, per se, but it is tough to sequence C172's at 100 knots on downwind and tweets and T-6's at 200...

Not to mention student radio calls! aarrghh.
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No doubt about that! Hey, I heard Psycho22 out the other day talking to approach control and I know that you used that callsign in the past. You still using that one?
 
mtsu_av8er said:
Wow - that's a coincidence . . . military traffic practicing at my civilian airfield disrupts my freight schedule! Given the very limited time that my schedule gives me, it's a little rude (especially when there are lots of restricted areas and warning areas that I can't even access . . . ).

Whodathunkit!
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Wouldn't want to eat into your schedule with a petty little thing like being able to survive in combat.

So sorry 'bout that - how narrow minded of us.

In all seriousnness...iin my later post I noted that both military and civilian pilots are equally ignorant about each other's needs, AND that it's perfectly possible for everyone to peacefully coexist with some education about the other side.

I'm the last guy you'll see stoking the fires of the military vs civilian debate. We both have much to learn from each other and yet are essentially two flavors of the same thing.
 
Hacker15e said:
Wouldn't want to eat into your schedule with a petty little thing like being able to survive in combat.
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Wouldn't want to slow your training for a little thing like supporting the world of commerce! ;)

In reality, I could care less about military flight training schedules. I might if they'd let me land at their bases to get my cargo 30 minutes closer to it's destination.

But, alas, they won't. So, let's make it easier . . . they stay at their bases and MOA's and restricted areas, and give me my airport back.

So sorry 'bout that - how narrow minded of us.
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Pretty much . . .

In all seriousnness...iin my later post I noted that both military and civilian pilots are equally ignorant about each other's needs, AND that it's perfectly possible for everyone to peacefully coexist with some education about the other side.
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I have written some letters and made some phone calls to squadron commanders, and gotten results. Having been in the military, I know how it works. ;) Usually fixes the problem once you talk to the right person.:D
 
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