Delta & SLC!

Maximilian_Jenius

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I hear that SLC is the fastest growing DL hub. Add to that, I hear they *may* be finally getting international departures out of SLC to europe.

Anyone hear anything similar or disimilar, or is this akin to a check airman rumor?
 
Doesn't have the O&D traffic. LA, on the other hand, WILL see European destinations.
 
Delta needs to expand their SLC flying, then give all that flying to ExpressJet so I can then be based out of SLC.
 
A singer in a smokey room...

A smell of wine and cheeeeeap perfume!
 
I swear I heard on the news about 2-4 months ago that this was likely?? Gee, my in-laws alone could keep the SLC-Europe flights booked lol.
 
In the grand scheme of things, I wouldn't ever say "never", but it doesn't make any sense.
 
In the grand scheme of things, I wouldn't ever say "never", but it doesn't make any sense.

After experiencing JFK on a regular basis as a passenger it makes perfect sense that Delta would look to its other hubs to generate additional trans-Atlantic traffic. JFK is done, stick a fork in it.
 
I know originally Delta built the new terminal in BOS to do Intl flights to Europe, but scrapped the idea and sold or leased gates to other airlines. Is BOS still viable for Delta to operate flights to Europe?
 
Originating and Destination, I think? I'm not too sure.

Close...Origination/Destination. And you're right, that's why DAL will never make a big push to hub up at SLC.

SLC used to be Western's Denver. Delta, however, did what most legacy carriers do when they buy a West Coast airline...strip the assets and put them into their East/West service.

USAir did it to PSA. American did it to AirCal and Reno.

Latest "rumor" floating around our place started with an email from a Delta Captain. His report from their PIC seminar on Grinstein's comments:

1. Delta is aiming to be the largest carrier out of LAX. The goal is to go gangbusters into Mexico and the Pacific Rim. To do that, you need feed from the West Coast.

2. Western Airlines was way ahead of their time. That said, Delta has stripped all the West Coast feed that Western once had.

3. The best merger partner for Delta is Alaska.

All that from Delta's CEO. Looking at the big picture, it all makes sense. Here's the key points:

1. Alaska provides the feed Delta needs in LAX. Additionally, Alaska is already well established in the LAX-Mexican vacation markets.

2. Delta recently cancelled 30 or so 737-800 aircraft and bought widebodies instead. Alaska has 25 orders and 25 options for 737-800s on the books at Boeing.

3. Alaska's stock is WAY down since last fall, the biggest tumble coming on May 1st. That coincided with the publication of the annual report that included large cash payouts for Alaska Senior Management in the event of a sale of Alaska Airlines.

4. Horizon has been added to many markets (LAX, RNO for example) that were traditionally only served by Alaska. The EMB-190 has been visiting the Horizon ramp in PDX. Given the fact that Alaska and Horizon are two independent operations in the Alaska Air Group each with their own certificate, there is nothing to prevent the sale of one or the other from the Air Group. Senior management could sell Alaska, reap a windfall personal profit and continue to operate Horizon. Theoretically, they could use the EMB-190 to rebuild an Alaska-type operation under the Horizon banner.

The final piece of the puzzle could be the recent tragic loss of Bruce Kennedy, the Chairman Emeritus of the Board of Directors in a plane crash. He was the last remaining individual who engineered the rebirth of Alaska in the 70's and 80's. He was doggedly determined to keep Alaska independent due to his personal "pride in ownership" of the airline. He was the guy who rallied the stockholders and fought off a number of buyout/merger attempts over the years.

All that is kind of a long-winded reason why I can't see Delta building up SLC too much. Not enough O/D, the proximity to their proposed huge expansion in LAX and a possible buyout/merger with Alaska.
 
Latest "rumor" floating around our place started with an email from a Delta Captain. His report from their PIC seminar on Grinstein's comments:

There has been A LOT of talk about that around the pilot lounge.

From what I've seen knowing people from the Pan Am acquisition, the Western merger, even some dudes from the NE "Gooneybird" merger, I'm much more in favor of internal growth rather than the train wreck of M&A (Merger and Acquisition).
 
After experiencing JFK on a regular basis as a passenger it makes perfect sense that Delta would look to its other hubs to generate additional trans-Atlantic traffic. JFK is done, stick a fork in it.

Actually, it's going to ramp up again after the 75 ER's arrive. The short Europes like the UK are going to the 75's which is going to release the 76's (w/winglets, surprisingly adding another 400 miles of range) for longer range, heavier markets.

Plus, they're going to a multiple bank system in JFK. Instead of shotgunning a bunch of ER's across the tracks at the same time, they're going to start adding additional banks to increase flights.

Whoever is in control of international markets can't swing a dead cat at a primary or secondary city without shaking cash from the tree.
 
That sounds great, especially the bank deal. I always laugh when I hear the captain on the flight I usually go to JFK on announce we'll be on time. I know we'll be at least 45 minutes late after sitting on the "tarmac" at JFK waiting for another airplane to get off our gate. And this has been going on for months.

I hear the other frequent fliers talk about what a mess JFK is. I really hope they can get it cleaned up.
 
I know originally Delta built the new terminal in BOS to do Intl flights to Europe, but scrapped the idea and sold or leased gates to other airlines. Is BOS still viable for Delta to operate flights to Europe?

Can't do international flights to the new terminal in BOS. There is no Customs and Immigration there. It was never built with them in mind. The only Carribean flights to BOS are from pre-departure clearance stations. We can use the old international terminal, but then there is the problem of getting the passengers over to Terminal A. The brain trust was short a few neurons during LM's time.
 
I'm much more in favor of internal growth rather than the train wreck of M&A (Merger and Acquisition).

Yeah, me too. However, most airline analysts say the consolidation of the industry is not over. And you're average manager can't wait the amount of time it takes for Boeing to make the airplanes and your training department to make the pilots. They want the instant gratification of whatever new system they covet.

Time will tell.
 
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