Commercial Single Engine Add-on

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SierraPilot123

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How do you guys usually endorse a student for this?

Do you use the AC 61-65E #64 and add parts of the FAR requirements to the end. For example, add this to the end of the endorsement "61.125 9 (b) (1-16) 61.127 (b) (1) (i-xi)"

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# 64. Additional aircraft category or class rating (other than ATP): section 61.63(b) or (c). I certify that (First name, MI, Last name), (pilot certificate), (certificate number), has received the required training for an additional (name the aircraft category/class rating). I have determined that he/she is prepared for the (Comercial) for the addition of a (Single Engine class rating)

/s/ [date] J. J. Jones 987654321CFI Exp. 12-31-05
 
SierraPilot123 said:
How do you guys usually endorse a student for this?

Do you use the AC 61-65E #64 and add parts of the FAR requirements to the end. For example, add this to the end of the endorsement "61.125 9 (b) (1-16) 61.127 (b) (1) (i-xi)"

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# 64. Additional aircraft category or class rating (other than ATP): section 61.63(b) or (c). I certify that (First name, MI, Last name), (pilot certificate), (certificate number), has received the required training for an additional (name the aircraft category/class rating). I have determined that he/she is prepared for the (Comercial) for the addition of a (Single Engine class rating)

/s/ [date] J. J. Jones 987654321CFI Exp. 12-31-05
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The 61.63 and 61.39 endorsements are the only ones needed.
 
FAR 61.63 just says that you need an endorsement for the areas of operation. But it doesn't really explain what items. So I thought it was a appropriate to add the items requried for a commercial certificate. "(61.125 9 (b) (1-16) 61.127 (b) (1) (i-xi)"

"FAR 61.63 (3) Must have an endorsement in his or her logbook or training record from an authorized instructor, and that endorsement must attest that the applicant has been found proficient on the areas of operation that are appropriate to the pilot certificate for the aircraft category and, if applicable, class rating sought;"

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AND 61.39 talks about traning time in the past 60 days, but I was under the impression that there is no time requirements when adding a class rating??

"11. Practical Test - FAR 61.39(a)(6)
I certify that Mr/Ms has received the training time required within the
preceding 60 days in preparation for the commercial pilot - glider practical test and find him/her prepared for that test. He/she has demonstrated satisfactory knowledge of the subject areas found deficient on the commercial pilot aeronautical knowledge test."
 
SierraPilot123 said:
But it doesn't really explain what items. So I thought it was a appropriate to add the items requried for a commercial certificate. "(61.125 9 (b) (1-16) 61.127 (b) (1) (i-xi)"
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There is no specific required wording for these endorsements and the wording given in the AC 61-65E refers to having given the "required training" and that's sufficient. Why would they have written the sample endorsement the way they did, if you needed to tack on a bunch of other stuff? However, you can write these things anyway you want. ;) The examiner is probably just going to look for the FAR references and let it go at that.


<<AND 61.39 talks about traning time in the past 60 days, but I was under the impression that there is no time requirements when adding a class rating??>>

True. However, some of the old FAQ's said that the training quantity had to be non-zero, but no specific number. The regulation supports this point of view. There are three parts to this endorsement:
  1. Has received and logged training time within 60 days preceding the date of application in preparation for the practical test;
  2. Is prepared for the required practical test; and
  3. Has demonstrated satisfactory knowledge of the subject areas in which the applicant was deficient on the airman knowledge test
 
Points well made with your explanations. Thanks for your help tgrayson. I'll let you know how it works out with the examiner tomorrow.
 
I've actually never seen any elk out there either. I sometimes wonder if its not Mr. B's way of creating a realistic distraction, because he usually gives an engine failure out there and when you're flying that low you don't have much time to decide where you're landing. Fortunately there's absolutely nothing out there so you can pretty much pitch for best glide and land stright forward (as long as you're not headed for the river). Gotta love Mr. B. :D
 
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