Deadly Ohio Mid-air
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Very scary, but unfortunately can happen very easily. It is amazing to see how much traffic is in the air flying right by eachother in the Class D I fly in.
Sodbuster
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Ohio has had quite a few mid-airs in the past 5-7 years. I remember two more other than this and, yes, that counts as "quite a few". There was one two years or so ago over the Akron VOR where a CFII was doing holds with a student and someone in a Glasair (I think) rear-ended them. Another was more of a "bump" with both airplanes landing safely. One had the door get knocked off but landed at Lorain County... I think.
WestIndian425
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Geez! This is sad.
meyers9163
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Just got off the phone with Wes (aloft) and he's doing alright. Thank God it wasnt one of our own today. He flies out of Blue Ash and was working tonight when this all has happen. He's not sleeping too well tonight just thinking about things but I was just so glad to hear his voice and realize he wasnt involved as he flies there and works there.......
Either way RIP!
very sad!
Either way RIP!
very sad!Just got off the phone with Wes (aloft) and he's doing alright. Thank God it wasnt one of our own today. He flies out of Blue Ash and was working tonight when this all has happen. He's not sleeping too well tonight just thinking about things but I was just so glad to hear his voice and realize he wasnt involved as he flies there and works there.......
Either way RIP!
I talked to my mom who lives nearby. One of the planes went down just a few blocks from her house, the other a bit further away. She told me that the local news reports were saying that in one plane was a CFI (the media reported had been flying out of Blue Ash airport for a long time) and his student, and in the other, a single flyer. All three died. Blue Ash airport has no ATC and of course, they're still trying to determine what went wrong. No one on the ground was hurt.
IWExcelsiorE
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Ouch!
Naluryder
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It's so unfortunate and that's why we must continue to scan for traffic always! And don't keep secrets, once I was transitioning through an non towered airport and I gave my position and alt..going west bound while the other traffic was going east bound, and he was climbing out of 3000 as I was level at 4000 ft never saw the guy eventhough I swear we reported almost exactly the same distances from extended rnwy centerline opposite directions..now that to me is scary if either party just stopped reporting their positions until???? I learned something that day to not keep secrets and don't asume he'll spot you?? Fly safe everyone..
RIP to our fellow airman.
RIP to our fellow airman.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
That's the sad thing. Probably nothing went wrong. The whole Big Sky theory that many many VFR pilots rely on to protect them is grossly flawed.
I've come close to hitting another airplane two times now. Both times I was doing everything I should have been doing and chances are so where they.
Fly4Pay
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DEFINITELY! As I said in another thread, I once got close enough to another plane to hear his engine. (For those of you who are wondering, that's CLOSE!)
I definitely counted my blessings THAT day!
LoadMasterC141
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57 hours for me so far and I have been too close for comfort twice as well.
I don't like the whole big sky theory either. I maintain outside vigilance as much as possible and ALWAYS ask for flight following when available.
I don't like the whole big sky theory either. I maintain outside vigilance as much as possible and ALWAYS ask for flight following when available.
Flight following is always a nice thing to have if available. But something we all need to remember is that is still 'workload permitting' to my knowledge. I have been with FF a couple times and had someone come close enough to me (without a peep) from FF to really make you sit up straight in your seat.
alphaone
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Hi everyone. Myers thanks for telling everyone I was ok. (althought the name is alphaone)
It was a tough day at work as I am used to seeing both airplanes and all the pilots that perished. All day the phone was ringing with people asking if various people that fly out of our FBO were hurt.
It is also extra un-nerving that I have flown in that area where the mid air happened numerous times, and I can't help but think "what if."
This is the closest aviation tradgedy has gotten me so far, hopefully it stays that way.
Stay safe everyone.
It was a tough day at work as I am used to seeing both airplanes and all the pilots that perished. All day the phone was ringing with people asking if various people that fly out of our FBO were hurt.
It is also extra un-nerving that I have flown in that area where the mid air happened numerous times, and I can't help but think "what if."
This is the closest aviation tradgedy has gotten me so far, hopefully it stays that way.
Stay safe everyone.
ComplexHiAv8r
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Is there any updates?
PGT
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yea I'm curious if there are any updates.
I did pattern work yesterday and a 172 almost took out an ultralight. I was on final and we (my Instructor and I) were watching the whole thing happen. The ultralight was explaining to the 172 where he was but the guy couldn't see him so finally the 172 just did a 360 but it got pretty darn close. I thought it was going to happen.
I did pattern work yesterday and a 172 almost took out an ultralight. I was on final and we (my Instructor and I) were watching the whole thing happen. The ultralight was explaining to the 172 where he was but the guy couldn't see him so finally the 172 just did a 360 but it got pretty darn close. I thought it was going to happen.
MikeOH58
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Also, it's important to know that FF is NOT always right. Last week I was flying at 4500 feet, and went head on with another aircraft at maybe 4700 feet. FF told me turn left 20 degrees which I declined. If I were to turn left 20 degrees I would have literally turned into him. When your on FF and they call your traffic, find it immediately, because what they tell you very well may be conflicting with the proper procedure you need to execute. I think of it this way. FF is a nice elective add-on to my flights, but primary collison avoidance remains with me.
alphaone
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Of course it is in the early stages of the investigation so everything is coming out a little foggy.
Here is what I know:
All three dead belonged to a flying club on the field. The 172 had two people in it, an instructor and a student. I BELIEVE the student was an instrument student and that the aircraft was shooting the VOR r/w 24 into Blue Ash. If this is the case, the student would have been under the hood looking at the instruments and would have no idea an airplane was in the vicinity.
The Beechcraft apparently had departed just previously and was heading North. Apparently Blue Ash was using r/w 6 at the time. The final course for the VOR 24 is almost a straight in aligned with the runway so if an aircraft took off and stayed alligned with the runway they would be almost head on with an aircraft approaching the airport on the instrument app.
It was a clear day, so they SHOULD have seen each other.
That is what I know now more will come later.
Here is what I know:
All three dead belonged to a flying club on the field. The 172 had two people in it, an instructor and a student. I BELIEVE the student was an instrument student and that the aircraft was shooting the VOR r/w 24 into Blue Ash. If this is the case, the student would have been under the hood looking at the instruments and would have no idea an airplane was in the vicinity.
The Beechcraft apparently had departed just previously and was heading North. Apparently Blue Ash was using r/w 6 at the time. The final course for the VOR 24 is almost a straight in aligned with the runway so if an aircraft took off and stayed alligned with the runway they would be almost head on with an aircraft approaching the airport on the instrument app.
It was a clear day, so they SHOULD have seen each other.
That is what I know now more will come later.